Trade Wars and Tariffs

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hog88 said:
The only growth hormone allowed in US dairy production is rBST which is a naturally occurring hormone and only about 10-15% of US herds use it. The largest dairy co-op in the US DFA does not allow it's producers to use growth hormones and many US retailers will not sell dairy products from co-ops/processors that allow it in their supply chain.

We do not subsidize dairy to anywhere close the level Canada does their domestic producers.
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Link?

We talked about this in detail and shared resources, and I can't believe anybody would come away from that convo feeling like they know with certainty who subsidizes domestic production more.
 
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tbh said:
You have more in the way of optimism than I do. My faith in the collective ability of either party to not royally screw things up is at an all-time low. They're two side of the same coin anyhow, at this point...they just spend the tax revenue on different pet projects and initiatives.

Even if the Federal elected folk have a good idea (like securing the borders), their collective ineptitude is the ultimate barrier to any meaningful improvement.
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You misread..I said I dont trust the Swamp, as they would eventually have both.
 
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tbh said:
Why opt for any combination of carbon tax/elevated corporate tax/higher tariffs? Is the only differentiator between "hooray"/"boo" the letter next to the dimwits proposing them? And hell, while we're at it, what are Republican Congresscritters doing pushing a Federal vehicle registration fee (which is essentially another tax)?
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They should be pushing a bill to eliminate CAFE standards instead.
 
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Orangeburst said:
You misread..I said I dont trust the Swamp, as they would eventually have both.
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True...it would be an opening with increases in the tax sure to follow later on. I lump the current tariff maneuvering into my general pessimism about anything working out at the Federal level.
 
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hog88 said:
This will get you started.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-supply-management-explainer-1.4708341
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OK, it's weird for you to be talking about subsidies and then link to an article that's not about subsidies.

I'm now understanding more that they protect their industry with quotas and supply chain management. That's not a subsidy, I guess you could call it an indirect subsidy, but it's direct control over the market. I have no idea how you're converting that activity into subsidy dollars and making a judgement about who subsidizes more.

What I think you mean to be saying is that Canada is doing more to protect their dairy industry, but I still have no idea how you're able to arrive there with any certainty. It's way too complex.
 
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tbh said:
Why opt for any combination of carbon tax/elevated corporate tax/higher tariffs? Is the only differentiator between "hooray"/"boo" the letter next to the dimwits proposing them? And hell, while we're at it, what are Republican Congresscritters doing pushing a Federal vehicle registration fee (which is essentially another tax)?
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Exactly **** that damn environment, ******** who needs a world to live in anyway, let’s pollute the **** out of it. Come on man I’m with you.

You’re a mother****ing genius man
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, it's weird for you to be talking about subsidies and then link to an article that's not about subsidies.

I'm now understanding more that they protect their industry with quotas and supply chain management. That's not a subsidy, I guess you could call it an indirect subsidy, but it's direct control over the market. I have no idea how you're converting that activity into subsidy dollars and making a judgement about who subsidizes more.

What I think you mean to be saying is that Canada is doing more to protect their dairy industry, but I still have no idea how you're able to arrive there with any certainty. It's way too complex.
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It’s subsidies by another name. Price controls and production quotas are subsidies
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re falsely assuming manufacturing jobs to be some sort of necessity. Before Trump sabotaged his own economy, there was no job shortage. If anything we’ve had the opposite. First term Trump had record low unemployment.

Americans don’t have to compete with Indonesian children for manufacturing jobs.

Unemployment is low. The standard of living improves continuously over time.

This false idea that we’ve lost something is shared by both the left and the right. Both falsely believe you could afford more in the 60s than today. But it’s not accurate
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I work in Procurement buying tooling, it is definitely true that we have lost a lot. That is MY WORLD that I work in and see every day.
 
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MontyPython said:
Trumpers gonna Trump.

History will prove beyond any doubt that this Dipshit moron in the White House will go down as the worst president in the history of the United States. Anybody who supports him at this point what can I say ****ing stupid.
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Lol. Get some bengay for that hurt butt. That dude knows way more than you will ever know about the economy. That's rich coming from the guy who kissed Biden's butt.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You’re confusing loses in one sector of the economy as overall loses.
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It is widespread in a lot of industries. The reason that I point out Procurement is that you can see that. Granted, some of it could even go back 20+ years.

I have pointed example after example of all the major Automotive Companies struggling the last year and doing layoffs. Whether you look at BMW, Ford, GM, Nissan, Honda, Stellantis, etc. They all ran layoffs. Look all over Nashville area right now. Dollar General, Nissan, Bridgestone, Brooksdale, Phillips, Electrolux, etc. The only local company that I have heard is doing someone alright is Schneider Electric. All of them have reduced staffing, closed sites, freezed hiring, etc. These actions were occurring even before Trump was elected (I also don't think it is fair to blame Biden for all of this as this decline has been occurring for over 20+ years).

You can't compete against $ 5 per hour workers.

You idiots don't realize that if this continues, we will have to drop minimal wage out of necessity. Service Industry will go next and it is already in decline because young people don't have money to actual buy products (or houses, cars, etc.). There has been some change in Corporate philosophy towards more localization of supply, even at higher costs, for efficiency (they call it Sustainability) but it isn't a lot.

Also, I love how you point out 1960s. Go to Detroit in 1960s or Akron (Tire City) and compare with the modern era.

Frankly, the big moment that everything started to go downhill for USA was when Nixon visited China and opened them up.
 
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