Do you consider Canada an ally?

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McDad said:
Inequity in the spending for defense. They are sheltered under an umbrella we pay for.
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How do you breakdown the benefit tho? For there to be inequity, they have to be getting more net benefit in the tradeoff. They don't need the same amount of protection as us. I would bet all my $ we capture more benefit.

It's very possible it's inequitable the other direction.
 
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LouderVol said:
they aren't run by a loudmouth who changes economic policy/tariffs every other day.

china thinks long term, something America has forgotten how to do.
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China absolutely does not think long term. One of the great geopolitical misconceptions of our time.
 
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yeah they are allies. picking up more trade with china doesn't change that. its a result of our stupidity. we remove that stupidity and we can likely "fix" any trade deal with Canada.

as with most things Trump, its not the ideal that is bad, its the execution. Canada becoming a 51st state was never going to happen, but stronger ties between the two were close, especially before Trump got involved with their election and swung the pendulum away from us. Same thing with Denmark, the US probably could have pulled off some expanded military access and mining rights, but instead of working deals Trump just barges in and makes demands. that doesn't sit well with most people.
 
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Orangeburst said:
yea..thats it..Canada is gonna get a good deal.
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where did I say that?

China's long term thinking isn't good for anyone but China. the problem is most people can't see beyond the immediate benefits to look at how the long term implications will play out. See Nixon for opening up China.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How do you breakdown the benefit tho? For there to be inequity, they have to be getting more net benefit in the tradeoff. They don't need the same amount of protection as us. I would bet all my $ we capture more benefit.

It's very possible it's inequitable the other direction.
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possible. but doubtful.

Like Central America, Canada's proximity to America means they can be safe with minimum spending on defense. If your ultra wealthy neighbor hired a security company to patrol the grounds and streets, your place would be safer too.
 
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LouderVol said:
where did I say that?

China's long term thinking isn't good for anyone but China. the problem is most people can't see beyond the immediate benefits to look at how the long term implications will play out. See Nixon for opening up China.
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exactly what you said..

Orangeburst said:
How can Canada get a good trade deal with China, but not US?
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they aren't run by a loudmouth who changes economic policy/tariffs every other day.
 
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McDad said:
possible. but doubtful.

Like Central America, Canada's proximity to America means they can be safe with minimum spending on defense. If your ultra wealthy neighbor hired a security company to patrol the grounds and streets, your place would be safer too.
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It's not doubtful...

NORAD benefits 350m Americans and 40m Canadians. How is it possible that 40m Canadians can capture as much benefit as 350m Americans?

The benefit is the avoidance of damage....look at it this way, if you have prarie dogs causing $10k of damage in your yard and $5k of damage in my yard, and we split pest control 60/40, you are winning the deal, not me, the guy paying 40%.

America has so much more to protect.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It's not doubtful...

NORAD benefits 350m Americans and 40m Canadians. How is it possible that 40m Canadians can capture as much benefit as 350m Americans?

The benefit is the avoidance of damage....look at it this way, if you have prarie dogs causing $10k of damage in your yard and $5k of damage in my yard, and we split pest control 60/40, you are winning the deal, not me, the guy paying 40%.

America has so much more to protect.
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You have made an error in how you are approaching inequity. Once you reconsider, I think you will understand with increased clarity.
 
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Orangeburst said:
exactly what you said..


they aren't run by a loudmouth who changes economic policy/tariffs every other day.
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what?

you asked why Canada can get a better trade deal that the US. I answered.

you then asked about a good deal. that is a different standard.

our previous trade deals with China were not good either, so Canada getting better doesn't mean its "good".

stop trying to defend Trump and respond to what is actually said.
 
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n_huffhines said:
How do you breakdown the benefit tho? For there to be inequity, they have to be getting more net benefit in the tradeoff. They don't need the same amount of protection as us. I would bet all my $ we capture more benefit.

It's very possible it's inequitable the other direction.
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Lol. Only you could twist something so evident into something ridiculous. I’m sure you loved their unfettered annihilation from invaders.
 
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Special thanks to the following:

John Candy (RIP)- You did everything in your power when you were alive to keep US and Canadian relations strong. You taught us that gambling drunk Uncles were important as well as clueless dads trying to rough it in the great outdoors. Additionally, those hot babes you mud wrestled never had a chance.

Dan Aykroyd- To this day I still don't understand why you let your nose look like a little peggar in Nothing but trouble, so whatever. Shout out for being a good sibling in the Blues Brothers. Most people probably don't even know that you had a small role in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Thanks for your continued support of the grand ole USA.

Alanis Morissette-GTFO

Mike Myers- You shagged a lot of hot babes as a British secret agent. You are basically one of us now since you have been residing in this country for many years.

Rick Moranis- I would like to personally offer my condolences regarding the azz whoopin you took in Manhattan a few years ago. Congrats for toughing it out and not leaving us. Little Giants is also an underrated movie.

Seth Rogan- You smoke too much ganja like most Americans and for this, Pepperjax is eternally grateful.

Keanu Reeves- You weren't born in Canada but did grow up there. Lori Petty was gross in that flick when you pretended to be a bank robber with the great Patrick Swayze. I guess even mega stars live yourself have to lower your standards here and there. You embraced the role of Ted which means that you love the United States.

Neil Young- GTFO

Michael Cera- Made one good film.

Justin Bieber- Well umm..sorry about P Diddy. You endured enough.

Drake- Learn to rap

Donald Sutherland (RIP)- I still do your impressions from Kelly's Heroes as SGT. Oddball.
 
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LouderVol said:
ok, how would you describe them then? And what can you point to for this?
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To show that they aren't long-term oriented, I could just say "one-child policy" and not have to say any more. Sure, they reversed it, but the damage has been done.

Bad demographics, bad political system, shaky financial system, reliant on foreign imports for their food and energy, and their economy is completely dependent on US power projection (so they can ship the products that they make overseas). Other than that, they are in great shape.

I don't think China is about to collapse like some do, but there's this notion that they are incredibly ascendant and about to overtake the US in a variety of areas which I don't think is true.
 
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LouderVol said:
what?

you asked why Canada can get a better trade deal that the US. I answered.

you then asked about a good deal. that is a different standard.

our previous trade deals with China were not good either, so Canada getting better doesn't mean its "good".

stop trying to defend Trump and respond to what is actually said.
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lmao..
 
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hog88 said:
There is no rivalry between us and Canada, at best they are the annoying little brother who want to hang on our coattails and relies on our protection when they get in trouble.
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Sibling rivalry. Learn to read ham sammich. And thanks for agreeing with me.
 
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McDad said:
You have made an error in how you are approaching inequity. Once you reconsider, I think you will understand with increased clarity.
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Can you explain the error, please?

Every deal has a cost and a benefit, and that net benefit is how we measure deals, right?

If you get 67% of the benefit and have only 60% of the cost, and your partner gets 33% of the benefit for 40% of the cost, where is the inequity?
 
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