Trump Ignores the Courts

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Ritzwatch said:
I disagree with your premise. The expedited process does not equal no due process. Not at all. The expedited process IS the due process.

At least as it relates to the Procedural Due Process - (were the rules followed?) - What rules not followed here? No one can say. They just say "Due Process!" without even knowing what that means.

As to the Substantive Due Process questions - (should these rules even be in place?) - Well, those are policy issues for Congress, and later fairness issues to be raised by courts regarding the application of the law. The expedited removal process has been in place 30 years, with millions of deportations, so I am sure a court has ruled on the substantive due process issues there, I just don't have the desire to research them right now when no one can show how this woman did not have her due process rights protected other than by saying they do not like her being deported, and they do not like her choice to take her children with her with she was deported.

So, I have shown my work, and I was specific. All I ask in return is answers to two questions: 1.) what constitutional due process did she not receive in her deportation proceeding? And, 2) What is the specific legal authority that required your level of desired due process in her deportation proceeding?
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Apparently, you are talking about your "presumption" that due process was followed in one specific case, and I'm talking about the Trump admin trying to skirt due process wherever they can.
 
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rekinhavoc said:
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An egregious denial of due process for Jan. 6 protesters

The footage was kept from the American public by a Democratic Congress so a false narrative became cemented in the public consciousness.
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"Egregious?" You guys tell on yourselves. It's like you just found out the system is ****ed up even though social justice warriors have been telling you this for decades. This is the type of shenanigans the CJS pulls every freaking day all over America, and it's not remotely comparable to the types of violations we are seeing now, where lawyers and phone calls aren't allowed, and we're renditioning people to El Salvador.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Apparently, you are talking about your "presumption" that due process was followed in one specific case, and I'm talking about the Trump admin trying to skirt due process wherever they can.
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The ease that the Left and Right dismiss their preferred administrations skirting of law is going to bight us ALL in the ass.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Apparently, you are talking about your "presumption" that due process was followed in one specific case, and I'm talking about the Trump admin trying to skirt due process wherever they can.
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Got it. You called me out for not knowing what I was talking about, and, when proven wrong, you decide to deflect from your own ignorance by shifting your attack what you "presume" are due process violations by the Trump Admin. There may be plenty of examples of those violations, but I doubt you'd recognize them if you saw them.

Could have just said, "Damn, Ritz, thanks for the free education on expedited deportation and due process, I learned a lot."

To which I would have responded, "No problem, happy to help."

But that would take a level of self-reflection you do not possess.

Carry on with your hallucinations, Huff, there will be plenty of windmills for you to charge for the next 3 1/2 years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Can you explain what you're talking about?...because I believe the courts so far have essentially said there is no expediting due process. Yes, Trump can use this 200 year old wartime law to deport these people, but they still get due process. I don't think you know what you're talking about, but I could be wrong. What you got?
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So Biden and company illegally import maybe 20 million illegal immigrants with absolutely zero “due process” but we have to have 20 million individual trials to remove them?
Just go ahead and admit that you want them here permanently. And as they have kids with birthright citizenship; 20 million soon becomes 40 million.
Sorry, no thanks
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Got it. You called me out for not knowing what I was talking about, and, when proven wrong, you decide to deflect from your own ignorance by shifting your attack what you "presume" are due process violations by the Trump Admin. There may be plenty of examples of those violations, but I doubt you'd recognize them if you saw them.

Could have just said, "Damn, Ritz, thanks for the free education on expedited deportation and due process, I learned a lot."

To which I would have responded, "No problem, happy to help."

But that would take a level of self-reflection you do not possess.

Carry on with your hallucinations, Huff, there will be plenty of windmills for you to charge for the next 3 1/2 years.
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What are you talking about? A judge said they were violations. It's not a presumption. And I didn't deflect. I conceded the point. It was an admission that I didn't understand the context of your original post.

For the record, this below is my version of "calling you out" and this ^ is how you act when I concede that I didn't get the context of your original post. You guys would rather me be the type of poster that is common here. Never give in.

This place is insane sometimes.

n_huffhines said:
Can you explain what you're talking about?...because I believe the courts so far have essentially said there is no expediting due process. Yes, Trump can use this 200 year old wartime law to deport these people, but they still get due process. I don't think you know what you're talking about, but I could be wrong. What you got?
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The part I needed explained was the part where you were talking about an individual case.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What are you talking about? A judge said they were violations. It's not a presumption. And I didn't deflect. I conceded the point. It was an admission that I didn't understand the context of your original post.

For the record, this below is my version of "calling you out" and this ^ is how you act when I concede that I didn't get the context of your original post. You guys would rather me be the type of poster that is common here. Never give in.

This place is insane sometimes.



The part I needed explained was the part where you were talking about an individual case.
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No problem, happy to help.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
A detailed description of AEA 'due process' for those who are interested:

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Thanks for the post. In the spirit of the VN politics forum, I have decided that if what you posted agrees with my view of what should be happening, it is authoritative and convincing. Alternatively, if I disagree with whatever the video says, it is obviously because it is pure propaganda and misinformation spread by the "other" side.

If there is anything new and revealing, that is fine, because I am not going to take the opportunity to learn anything new or to possibly change my predetermined, (and therefore obviously correct), established viewpoint. I will, however, provide the disclaimer that I am not wrong, I just misunderstood your reason for posting the video.

Thank you in advance for agreeing with me, Troll.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Thanks for the post. In the spirit of the VN politics forum, I have decided that if what you posted agrees with my view of what should be happening, it is authoritative and convincing. Alternatively, if I disagree with whatever the video says, it is obviously because it is pure propaganda and misinformation spread by the "other" side.

If there is anything new and revealing, that is fine, because I am not going to take the opportunity to learn anything new or to possibly change my predetermined, (and therefore obviously correct), established viewpoint. I will, however, provide the disclaimer that I am not wrong, I just misunderstood your reason for posting the video.

Thank you in advance for agreeing with me, Troll.
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Well said.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Well said.
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Thank you. I think. Just so long as we are clear that I have NO intention of watching what you posted. Ever. But, I do think it is either the most awesome or most ridiculous video ever posted, I am sure you understand. ;)
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Egregious?" You guys tell on yourselves. It's like you just found out the system is ****ed up even though social justice warriors have been telling you this for decades. This is the type of shenanigans the CJS pulls every freaking day all over America, and it's not remotely comparable to the types of violations we are seeing now, where lawyers and phone calls aren't allowed, and we're renditioning people to El Salvador.
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Social justice warriors? lol.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
So Biden and company illegally import maybe 20 million illegal immigrants with absolutely zero “due process” but we have to have 20 million individual trials to remove them?
Just go ahead and admit that you want them here permanently. And as they have kids with birthright citizenship; 20 million soon becomes 40 million.
Sorry, no thanks
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Cloward and Piven strategy. Overwhelming the system so it’s impossible to fix.

The left hate this country and some don’t know why they do.
 
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n_huffhines said:
"Egregious?" You guys tell on yourselves. It's like you just found out the system is ****ed up even though social justice warriors have been telling you this for decades. This is the type of shenanigans the CJS pulls every freaking day all over America, and it's not remotely comparable to the types of violations we are seeing now, where lawyers and phone calls aren't allowed, and we're renditioning people to El Salvador.
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I agree. Renditioning an illegal immigrant to their homeland is not remotely comparable to driving a potentially innocent defendant to suicide under threat of a return to jail because the Dems in DC withheld evidence of their potential innocence.

Not remotely.

But, I actually read the article.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
You do not understand what due process is.

You do not understand the expedited removal process under deportation rules.

Your inability to state what law, specifically, was not followed here, shows ignorance.

Complaining about a process that was duly followed because you do not like that process is not the same as having a process that wasn’t followed.
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I know enough to have passed two bar exams, but please enlighten me (and the judge on the case)......
 
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Ashevolle said:

I know enough to have passed two bar exams, but please enlighten me (and the judge on the case)......
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And if the judge is able to dispel his strong suspicion that a US citizen was deported illegally, what will be your response?

As I have asked many, many times, what process was not followed here? No one can give me a solid answer. You know why? Because no one has all the facts.

The judge himself is going to have a hearing to find out what happened. Good. If we deported a 2 year old American citizen unlawfully, heads should roll. Period and unequivocally.

What we should not do is roll those heads on our “strong suspicion.” The judge appears to understand that, therefore the hearing he has scheduled. He has not yet concluded anything was done improperly, because he doesn’t have all of the facts.

Neither do we have those facts. This may all turn out to have been done right. I don’t know, and neither do you. Hopefully the hearing will reveal the facts, and if there is any wrongdoing, it can be remedied here and prevented in the future.
 
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