Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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VolGee4 said:
Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.
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What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.
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So, in essence, "we have to do our job."
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Really, my Nephew came by yesterday and asked if I wanted him to mow my lawn this year. I said yea, he said "we need to up his pay " I said nope, take what you got last year or leave it. Well he said I will leave it. Well 3 hours later my nephew and his mom came over and he had decided to take my offer. I said nope I will pay $15 bucks less than last year, take it or leave it. That's what that greedy kid gets for trying to rip me off.
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He's not ripping you off. Everything is more expensive, and with another year under his belt is experience and his time is worth more than it used to be. Pretty harsh way to handle a young family member, especially one that actually wants to work and have pride in his work, but you do you.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.
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I think this is right. The premise of Huepel’s offense is getting into matchups that NFL teams rarely face. In pass protection, for example, a Tennessee RB will rarely have to make the kinds of reads that NFL backs have to make—reads based on a defensive complexity that most of Tennessee’s opponents lack. The spacing of the offense and the ball carrier’s path with the ball are also all different. Tennessee’s offense also challenges things that NFL teams are better at. College teams have limited practice time, but NFL teams have much more time to prepare. College teams may lack a slot corner or safety that can play fast enough to process the offense, but NFL players are both better athletes and more experienced.

These things may make the tape less relevant. I don’t think they mean much in terms of actual development. Some players may prefer a more NFL style program, and some teams may prefer to draft recruits with that kind of experience, but teams draft on potential and it just takes one team to draft a player.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.
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All fair. We added 12 personnel and pistol formations this year. The offense is changing and getting slower. Hyatt just didn't get any targets. We'll see on the rest.
 
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Visidog said:
I think this is right. The premise of Huepel’s offense is getting into matchups that NFL teams rarely face. In pass protection, for example, a Tennessee RB will rarely have to make the kinds of reads that NFL backs have to make—reads based on a defensive complexity that most of Tennessee’s opponents lack. The spacing of the offense and the ball carrier’s path with the ball are also all different. Tennessee’s offense also challenges things that NFL teams are better at. College teams have limited practice time, but NFL teams have much more time to prepare. College teams may lack a slot corner or safety that can play fast enough to process the offense, but NFL players are both better athletes and more experienced.

These things may make the tape less relevant. I don’t think they mean much in terms of actual development. Some players may prefer a more NFL style program, and some teams may prefer to draft recruits with that kind of experience, but teams draft on potential and it just takes one team to draft a player.
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This.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.
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The scheme which spreads everyone out is responsible for the majority of our rushing yards. We will always have a strong running game bc of this reason. Some of our rbs will be better than others but they are not running against similar fronts.
 
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BigSteve09 said:
It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.
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The offense is very QB friendly, it can also be quickly dissected/diagnosed by defenses if they are taught it effectively. I think that's what you've seen happen the past teo seasons, that and some QB and other personnel limitations.

There are things you can do to hybridize it and add more wrinkles. The biggest advantage it gives you is at the line of scrimmage, pre snap, to adjust to what the defense is showing. If your QB can make the call quickly at the LOS and effectively communicate it to the receivers you can keep defenders in conflict. We've lacked that detail in the offense the last two seasons.

There are elements of the offense that are making their way to the league but the simplicity to diagnose seems to be a driver of it not being used at the next level.
 
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Visidog said:
I think this is right. The premise of Huepel’s offense is getting into matchups that NFL teams rarely face. In pass protection, for example, a Tennessee RB will rarely have to make the kinds of reads that NFL backs have to make—reads based on a defensive complexity that most of Tennessee’s opponents lack. The spacing of the offense and the ball carrier’s path with the ball are also all different. Tennessee’s offense also challenges things that NFL teams are better at. College teams have limited practice time, but NFL teams have much more time to prepare. College teams may lack a slot corner or safety that can play fast enough to process the offense, but NFL players are both better athletes and more experienced.

These things may make the tape less relevant. I don’t think they mean much in terms of actual development. Some players may prefer a more NFL style program, and some teams may prefer to draft recruits with that kind of experience, but teams draft on potential and it just takes one team to draft a player.
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I agree. I think that the issue of style of play in more of a concern in recruiting than the draft. The narrative that Tennessee's offense doesn't translate to the League is that of the college coaches on the recruiting trail. NFL drafts mostly on measurables and somewhat on personal traits. There are plenty of players who possess the tools and measurables that lack the dog factor. In my experience, I will take the dog over the tools any day.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
Correct. No matter the bridge to initial contact, it’s just a matter of getting their attention, and then it’s up to your daughter after that. Be active on X. No negative posts, same for IG and fb. Our model was DM a coach until we get a response or get blocked, lol. Luckily, none blocked him. Well edited film is crucial! You have about 30 seconds to grab a coaches attention with film, they get 100’s daily.
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Really appreciate your input!

Hope your son loves the transition to college by the way!
 
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volbeast33 said:
The scheme which spreads everyone out is responsible for the majority of our rushing yards. We will always have a strong running game bc of this reason. Some of our rbs will be better than others but they are not running against similar fronts.
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That's why scouts have jobs. They don't just look at stats. They look at film. Dylan Sampson is good in any scheme. Maybe not 22 TD's, but he's good. His running around a player in the open field has nothing to do with scheme.
 
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I think for the fans it’s great when a recruit is highly ranked and has the measurables to go with that ranking, but I’m on the side of the fence that I want that tough, hard nosed, gun slinger type that can come in have some damn grit. Instead of running out of bounds as time expires!!

I’m not saying this kid is going to be great, time will tell, but even if he doesn’t, he seems like a player who will get his nose busted and want to stay in the game.

In the event he doesn’t fair too well, then you start the younger kids and see what you got.

Put some play makers around this kiddo and let’s go to ****** WORK
 
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