The Deportation of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia

[n_huffhines]

Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ​

Tim Walz's daughter has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today, Donald Trump's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.

Hope Walz, 24, made the comment in a viral TikTok which had been viewed more than 46,000 times as of Sunday night.

'If Jesus were alive today and in the United States, this administration would already have taken him and removed him from this country without due process,' she said.

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Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ

Hope Walz has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today Donald Trump 's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

That's not "comparing" Jesus to an MS-13 member at all. If people are outraged by this, they need to jump on the side of due process.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ​

Tim Walz's daughter has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today, Donald Trump's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.

Hope Walz, 24, made the comment in a viral TikTok which had been viewed more than 46,000 times as of Sunday night.

'If Jesus were alive today and in the United States, this administration would already have taken him and removed him from this country without due process,' she said.


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Tim Walz's daughter compares MS-13 gang members to Jesus Christ

Hope Walz has caused a social media storm by saying that if Jesus were alive today Donald Trump 's administration would have 'claimed he was a member of the MS-13 gang' and deported him.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Wireless1]

That's not "comparing" Jesus to an MS-13 member at all. If people are outraged by this, they need to jump on the side of due process.

We don’t always agree, but it was the government and organized religion that crucified my Jesus

 

[n_huffhines]

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You're doing everything you can to help the right corner the market on d-baggery.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

You're doing everything you can to help the right corner the market on d-baggery.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

More Democratic lawmakers are visiting El Salvador on Abrego Garcia’s behalf​

Four House Democrats are visiting El Salvador in a bid to support Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration deported to a notorious Salvadoran prison

WASHINGTON (AP) — Four House Democratic lawmakers have traveled to El Salvador to call attention to the plight of a man the Trump administration deported to a Salvadoran prison and has refused to help return — even after the Supreme Court ruled that it was the government’s duty to do so.

Reps. Yassamin Ansari of Arizona, Maxine Dexter of Oregon, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Robert Garcia of California arrived in the Central American nation on Sunday to investigate the condition of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who had lived in the United States for more than a decade. The Trump administration deported him, a move that administration officials have said in court filings was erroneous.

More Democratic lawmakers are visiting El Salvador on Abrego Garcia's behalf - Breitbart

Four House Democrats are visiting El Salvador in a bid to support Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration deported to a notorious

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[n_huffhines]

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Not sure how old you are, and what your family status is...just go on this thought exercise with me...think about the Dad you don't like in your son's baseball league, and he doesn't like you. One of the things he says to make fun of you behind your back is to say your daughter is ugly. Is that guy cool?

 

[Orange_Crush]

A trial to determine gang membership? I feel like you’re just repeating random lines you’ve heard from others at this point. That’s not a “truism”.

Are you incapable of looking at the presented evidence and answering the question “do you believe this man is a gang member?”, without a judge telling you so?

LMAO. No I don’t *know* that he’s a gang member and neither do you. Substituting opinion for fact is definitely a MAGA thing.

Just out of curiosity, why did you put "know" in quotes when he asked if you "believe"?

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Not sure how old you are, and what your family status is...just go on this thought exercise with me...think about the Dad you don't like in your son's baseball league, and he doesn't like you. One of the things he says to make fun of you behind your back is to say your daughter is ugly. Is that guy cool?

Tell that to your fellow libs that make fun of every conservative woman, including the First Lady.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

More Democratic lawmakers are visiting El Salvador on Abrego Garcia’s behalf​

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Four House Democrats are visiting El Salvador in a bid to support Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration deported to a notorious Salvadoran prison

WASHINGTON (AP) — Four House Democratic lawmakers have traveled to El Salvador to call attention to the plight of a man the Trump administration deported to a Salvadoran prison and has refused to help return — even after the Supreme Court ruled that it was the government’s duty to do so.

Reps. Yassamin Ansari of Arizona, Maxine Dexter of Oregon, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Robert Garcia of California arrived in the Central American nation on Sunday to investigate the condition of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who had lived in the United States for more than a decade. The Trump administration deported him, a move that administration officials have said in court filings was erroneous.

More Democratic lawmakers are visiting El Salvador on Abrego Garcia's behalf - Breitbart

Four House Democrats are visiting El Salvador in a bid to support Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man whom the Trump administration deported to a notorious

www.breitbart.com

Like I said let's bring the po back and see how the dems spin it when he ends up beating his wife to death or killing someone else.

 

[C-south]

That's not "comparing" Jesus to an MS-13 member at all. If people are outraged by this, they need to jump on the side of due process.

Glad someone came to their defense.

 

[volbound1700]

Like I said let's bring the po back and see how the dems spin it when he ends up beating his wife to death or killing someone else.

I think the issue is NOT the character of the individual but how the White House handled procedure. The United States Code 1226 requires a warrant for his arrest. Procedurally, they cited to the wrong act to deport him.

You don't want precedence of a President/Administration ignoring or violating US Law. An easy fix would be if El Salvador sent an application for his extradition to their country for violation of their laws. Since Mr. Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador, we would have to respect their request. That gets around all of these items.
If the US government cannot get that request or if they can't find another method for why the deportation was legal, they need to make their "best" effort to bring him back to the USA.

The fact that he is an El Salvador Citizen makes this more interesting, however, and perhaps not cut and dry. If El Salvador wants to hold him, there isn't much we an do even if he was deported in error. He is their citizen.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Democrats are no longer a serious party.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

 

[Sea Ray]

It's irrelevant whether this guy is a thug or if he beats his wife. Our Constitution guarantees due process for everyone, especially thugs. It doesn't help the cause of this administration to talk about how violent he is. Non violent folks generally don't get arrested and as such don't really need due process. It's the violent folks who need it. I encourage this administration to make an example out of him and show in court that he's a violent illegal alien. I'd like nothing better

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Florida Pastor Compares Deported Migrant Kilmar Garcia To JESUS in Dramatic Easter Tribute​

A progressive Florida pastor has likened deported El Salvador migrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Jesus during an impassioned Easter sermon.

Rev. Andy Oliver of Allendale United Methodist Church in St Petersburg made the comparison during his speech on Sunday.

The pastor explained that he and 50 other congregations have been lighting a candle of 'peace, hope and justice' which is wrapped in barbed wire to symbolize 'Christ's light shining even in the midst of barbed wire policies'.

He then dedicated the candle to Abrego Garcia and other migrants who have been detained and deported.

Abrego Garcia, 33, was deported to his homeland last month after prosecutors alleged he is an MS-13 gang member.

He has been painted as a wronged hero by some in the liberal media, but has been accused of beating his wife multiple times in recent years.


Florida pastor Rev. Andy Oliver has likened deported El Salvador migrant Kilmar Abrego Garcia to Jesus during an impassioned Easter sermon


The pastor explained that he and 50 other congregations have been lighting a candle of 'peace, hope and justice' which is wrapped in barbed wire to symbolize 'Christ's light shining even in the midst of barbed wire policies'

Florida pastor compares deported migrant Kilmar Garcia to JESUS

Rev. Andy Oliver of Allendale United Methodist Church in St Petersburg made the comparison during his speech on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[volbound1700]

It's irrelevant whether this guy is a thug or if he beats his wife. Our Constitution guarantees due process for everyone, especially thugs. It doesn't help the cause of this administration to talk about how violent he is. Non violent folks generally don't get arrested and as such don't really need due process. It's the violent folks who need it. I encourage this administration to make an example out of him and show in court that he's a violent illegal alien. I'd like nothing better

The Constitution only applies to citizens.

However, there are Congressional Acts and International Agreements that gave him that due process. Arguing the Constitution is a not a winning strategy as it is only a contract between the USA government and its CITIZENs.

 

[hog88]

The Constitution only applies to citizens.

However, there are Congressional Acts and International Agreements that gave him that due process. Arguing the Constitution is a not a winning strategy as it is only a contract between the USA government and its CITIZENs.

The constitution applies to everyone under it's jurisdiction and that includes anyone on US soil.

 

[Sea Ray]

The Constitution only applies to citizens.

However, there are Congressional Acts and International Agreements that gave him that due process. Arguing the Constitution is a not a winning strategy as it is only a contract between the USA government and its CITIZENs.

Stop right there. Let's agree on facts. You are not correct with what you've stated. The US Constitution does apply to anyone who is physically on our land:

Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6

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[volbound1700]

Stop right there. Let's agree on facts. You are not correct with what you've stated. The US Constitution does apply to anyone who is physically on our land:

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I don't care what that US Supreme Court decision said, it is wrong. Constitution is clearly from we the people of the United States:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It doesn't say "We the people of the United States and non US citizens living here". This is why the Alien and Seditions Act of 1798 was passed and signed by John Adams.

Under your argument, John Adams and the 5th Congress (which had Founding Fathers in its membership) violated the Constitution with the Aliens and Sedition Act.

 

[volbound1700]

The constitution applies to everyone under it's jurisdiction and that includes anyone on US soil.

I disagree and the Aliens and Sedition Act of 1798 disagrees.

 

[Sea Ray]

I don't care what that US Supreme Court decision said, it is wrong. Constitution is clearly from we the people of the United States:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

It doesn't say "We the people of the United States and non US citizens living here". This is why the Alien and Seditions Act of 1798 was passed and signed by John Adams.

Under your argument, John Adams and the 5th Congress (which had Founding Fathers in its membership) violated the Constitution with the Aliens and Sedition Act.

You'd better care what the SC says because that's the way our system works. You can have the opinion that they're wrong but your opinion doesn't mean squat. If they say something, it's the law of the land

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

You'd better care what the SC says because that's the way our system works. You can have the opinion that they're wrong but your opinion doesn't mean squat. If they say something, it's the law of the land

It's wrong because Trump said it was wrong

 

[volbound1700]

You'd better care what the SC says because that's the way our system works. You can have the opinion that they're wrong but your opinion doesn't mean squat. If they say something, it's the law of the land

SC opinions get struck down. I trust a law passed by Founding Fathers who actually wrote the Constitution over people giving opinions 100 years later.

I am in the Scalia camp. If the Founding Fathers intended something to be true, I believe it to be true even if judges later on disagree.

Clearly you think you know more about the Constitution than John Adams and the 5th Congress.

 

[Sea Ray]

I disagree and the Aliens and Sedition Act of 1798 disagrees.

The SC made decisions in the late 1800s that might apply to that law

Two Supreme Court cases dating back to the late nineteenth century have established that non-citizens, even those who are in the United States illegally, are also guaranteed due process of the law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.[8]

The first is Yick Wo v. Hopkins, where the Supreme Court had to analyze the constitutionality of a San Francisco ordinance that required all laundries in wooden buildings to obtain permits from the city to operate.[9] At the time, 89 percent of the city’s laundries were owned by people of Chinese descent and the board didn’t grant a single Chinese owner a permit to operate. The city’s sheriff arrested the petitioner, a Chinese immigrant who had lived in the United States for 22 years, when he refused to pay the fine for operating his laundry without a permit. The Court struck down the city ordinance, stating:

“The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: ‘Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.’ These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality…”

Thus, the entirety of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to all people in the United States, not just US citizens.

Ten years later, in Wong Wing v. United States, a Chinese immigrant who had illegally entered the U.S. was found to have violated the Chinese Exclusion Act. A commissioner sentenced him to imprisonment by hard labor and deportation as punishment. After his conviction, the petitioner sought a writ of habeas corpus to argue against his detention but was denied a hearing. The Court ruled that while government can forbid non-citizens from entering and can deport legal and illegal aliens, it was unconstitutional for the government to impose punishment without “a judicial trial to establish the guilt of the accused”[10] under the Fifth Amendment’s guarantee of procedural due process prior to a deprivation of life, liberty or property. As used in the Fifth Amendment, “the term ‘person’…is broad enough to include any and every human being with the jurisdiction of the republic.”

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