Trump Ignores the Courts

[hog88]

They will win a court case and the court will order a multimillion dollar verdict. They will walk away multimillionaires while you and I slog away to work every day. And it’ll be our tax dollars that pay them off because Trump overstepped his authority here. This isn’t the way to rid our country of scumbags. We need to do it legally

Really doubtful.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Really doubtful.

 

[Orange_Crush]

the damages would be the fact that the government broke its own stance.

"can't be deported to El Salvador" + deported to El Salvador = problem.

there is no debate on if its a problem. the only debate is how to fix it.

I don't think I've denied that. I'm questioning that claim that the courts said that he is here "legally", which I've seen no indication of.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The court's were closed? I don't know what you are getting at here, others filed a habeas.... they just went judge shopping. You don't like the process, but I am simply telling you what the process is.

You are making I guess a claim that the clerk of courts are refusing to docket a habeas? Than the correct course would be to file a mandamus to force the clerk to file the habeas, I would imagine.

I think he's asking where a habeas under AEA could have occurred.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I don't think I've denied that. I'm questioning that claim that the courts said that he is here "legally", which I've seen no indication of.

If he had been deported via immigration (stay deportation order) than it would be problem, what he doesn't like is there is AEA process.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I think he's asking where a habeas under AEA could have occurred.

At any point of the detention i.e. U.S. custody.

 

[Orange_Crush]

For the record, I don't at all like how this case went down.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[LSU-SIU]

I would say he is a criminal although not being criminally prosecuted i.e. an illegal.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If he had been deported via immigration (stay deportation order) than it would be problem, what he doesn't like is there is AEA process.

For the record, I don't either.

I personally suspect that TDA/Venezuelans fall legally within the AEA umbrella, as we have official Congressional/DoJ discourse about Venezuela sending their gang members here and refusing to take them back. I think that aligns with an incursion as acts of a foreign state.

El Salvador MS13? That's a little too sketchy for my tastes. I wish they'd actually try to find another place for him to abide the immigration court's orders, or go through that avenue to get him legally deported to ES, but not in their prison as far as we're concerned.

It's a huge black eye to the admin and process IMO.

 

[LSU-SIU]

For the record, I don't either.

I personally suspect that TDA/Venezuelans fall legally within the AEA umbrella, as we have official Congressional/DoJ discourse about Venezuela sending their gang members here and refusing to take them back. I think that aligns with an incursion as acts of a foreign state.

El Salvador MS13? That's a little too sketchy for my tastes. I wish they'd actually try to find another place for him to abide the immigration court's orders, or go through that avenue to get him legally deported to ES, but not in their prison as far as we're concerned.

It's a huge black eye to the admin and process IMO.

I wouldn't like it if quite a few Americans got tied up in it, but than again... I would not like it if that happened and it doesn't matter the process used.

Nobody is really claiming anyone wasn't illegal, matter of fact, they seem to confirm it. I don't see a real controversy... at least on what has happened so far.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I wouldn't like it if quite a few Americans got tied up in it, but than again... I would not like it if that happened and it doesn't matter the process used.

Nobody is really claiming anyone wasn't illegal, matter of fact, they seem to confirm it. I don't see a real controversy... at least on what has happened so far.

I think the controversy is whether it was an appropriate use of the AEA. We don't need to just rely on an "ends justified the means" attitude on this. If it's an abuse of the law, then make it right.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I think the controversy is whether it was an appropriate use of the AEA. We don't need to just rely on an "ends justified the means" attitude on this. If it's an abuse of the law, then make it right.

Yea on the surface I see what you mean, but at the end of the day no injustice has happened that we are aware of, definitely not an irreparable one.

It seems justice as a whole has been served so far. Just my opinion.

If an American gets tied up in, file a Habeas.... wrongs can be made right.

I would say the half-life on this one is about up anyway.... time to move on. (Ukraine, DOGE, injunctions, tariffs, the wife beater, etc.... they eventually just disappear)

 

[Sea Ray]

It was done legally. You just don't like the legal process used.

And the rest, its like you posting how ignorant of how this works.

Literally the U.S. could drop a bomb on his head and he has no real recourse.

Did you miss where the SC said that he was deported illegally? How many times do I have to post that quote from their 4 page decision?

 

[Sea Ray]

Really doubtful.

Did you think the same about George Floyd?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Did you miss where the SC said that he was deported illegally? How many times do I have to post that quote from their 4 page decision?

That has been addressed multiple times to you.

In the underlying case the government claimed they made a mistake, the government's position is that was a mistake. So, the government was saying he shouldn't have been sent to El Salvador but that would be contrary to the Proclamation. The government has clarified this is not the case, he was sent to the right place. The Supreme Court nor any court has fully adjudicated this.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Did you think the same about George Floyd?

He was illegal, and he was deported. Its not really that complex at this point.

The only way he would get a real day in court is if he claims he wasn't illegal and even then it would be a very tough fight.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yea on the surface I see what you mean, but at the end of the day no injustice has happened that we are aware of, definitely not an irreparable one.

It seems justice as a whole has been served so far. Just my opinion.

If an American gets tied up in, file a Habeas.... wrongs can be made right.

If he'd simply been sent to his mom's house in El Salvador, I may tend to agree, but he wasn't just deported. he's been sent to one of the harshest prisons on the planet. At the very least, I'd like to see the admin request that he be sent home and not in prison, unless ES has a sovereign reason to keep him there for their own legal reasons.

*I do not disagree that these are all the results of his decisions.

He wouldn't be there if he hadn't entered here illegally. But immigration law just states that we send him back (sans the judge's ruling against sending him back THERE). Immigration law does not say we specifically send him into a foreign prison. And if application of AEA shouldn't apply, then we should abide immigration law. With authority comes responsibility, and I think one responsibility is to do things visibly above reproach, to protect the integrity of that authority.

 

[LSU-SIU]

If he'd simply been sent to his mom's house in El Salvador, I may tend to agree, but he wasn't just deported. he's been sent to one of the harshest prisons on the planet. At the very least, I'd like to see the admin request that he be sent home and not in prison, unless ES has a sovereign reason to keep him there for their own legal reasons.

*I do not disagree that these are all the results of his decisions.

He wouldn't be there if he hadn't entered here illegally. But immigration law just states that we send him back (sans the judge's ruling against sending him back THERE). Immigration law does not say we specifically send him into a foreign prison. And if application of AEA shouldn't apply, then we should abide immigration law. With authority comes responsibility, and I think one responsibility is to do things visibly above reproach, to protect the integrity of that authority.

I tended to agree with you (I even mentioned a few days ago) until they started releasing more information on him in the last few days, but on the other side... I respect your opinion. I just don't care with this one, at this point.

Justice was served here, what happens to him in his own country is between them. If someone else cares, let them go fight it out.

 

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Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2
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Stunning to watch the ACLU and Jeb Boasberg ignore the Supreme Court--who is in contempt now?--and advance the Alien Enemies Act lawsuit despite SCOTUS vacating Boasberg's two temporary restraining orders banning the removal of illegal Venezuelans covered by the president's AEA proclamation.

After the SCOTUS decision, Boasberg brazenly asked the ACLU to "file a notice indicating whether they believe that they still have a basis to proceed on their Motion for Preliminary Injunction in this Court." It was due yesterday, the same day Boasberg issued his contempt finding against the Trump adm.

The ACLU, despite SCOTUS determining DC was the improper jurisdiction, just filed ANOTHER motion seeking a new temp restraining order on behalf of the illegals. The ACLU argued Boasberg still has jurisdiction in the matter.

Here is what the ACLU is seeking--and Boasberg just set a briefing schedule on the latest proposed TRO with a hearing set for Monday.

"To provide notice to each class member that they have been designated as an 'alien enemy' under the Alien Enemies Act at least 30 days prior to any attempt to remove that class member from the United States under the AEA. The notice must be in both English and Spanish, and must clearly state that the class member has the right to contact an attorney and to challenge their designation and removal in court. For each class member, this notice must be provided to the class member, class counsel in this case, and the class member’s immigration attorney of record, if they have one and to facilitate each class member’s ability to communicate with family members and counsel, by providing regular access to confidential phone calls, and to in-person meetings if an attorney requests it."

(BTW I was assured by some "legal experts" the ACLU would not pursue this course and if they did, Boasberg would not allow it.)

 

[hog88]

Did you think the same about George Floyd?

No but that was apples to oranges to this case.

 

[Sandman 423]

He's a citizen of El Salvador, what if they say no?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Julie Kelly
@julie_kelly2
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15m


Stunning to watch the ACLU and Jeb Boasberg ignore the Supreme Court--who is in contempt now?--and advance the Alien Enemies Act lawsuit despite SCOTUS vacating Boasberg's two temporary restraining orders banning the removal of illegal Venezuelans covered by the president's AEA proclamation.

After the SCOTUS decision, Boasberg brazenly asked the ACLU to "file a notice indicating whether they believe that they still have a basis to proceed on their Motion for Preliminary Injunction in this Court." It was due yesterday, the same day Boasberg issued his contempt finding against the Trump adm.

The ACLU, despite SCOTUS determining DC was the improper jurisdiction, just filed ANOTHER motion seeking a new temp restraining order on behalf of the illegals. The ACLU argued Boasberg still has jurisdiction in the matter.

Here is what the ACLU is seeking--and Boasberg just set a briefing schedule on the latest proposed TRO with a hearing set for Monday.

"To provide notice to each class member that they have been designated as an 'alien enemy' under the Alien Enemies Act at least 30 days prior to any attempt to remove that class member from the United States under the AEA. The notice must be in both English and Spanish, and must clearly state that the class member has the right to contact an attorney and to challenge their designation and removal in court. For each class member, this notice must be provided to the class member, class counsel in this case, and the class member’s immigration attorney of record, if they have one and to facilitate each class member’s ability to communicate with family members and counsel, by providing regular access to confidential phone calls, and to in-person meetings if an attorney requests it."

(BTW I was assured by some "legal experts" the ACLU would not pursue this course and if they did, Boasberg would not allow it.)

That judge is clearly a nutjob and he should be investigated for removal imo, most of what he is doing wrong is clear cut procedural things even, but he is intentionally doing it.

He might on the surface still have jurisdiction as to his crazy contempt crap but he has no jurisdiction as to how the complain was originally filed or APA stuff, at least at this point.

 

[C-south]

I think the controversy is whether it was an appropriate use of the AEA. We don't need to just rely on an "ends justified the means" attitude on this. If it's an abuse of the law, then make it right.

It was made right. The abuse of law is turning these invaders loose inside the country.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It was made right. The abuse of law is turning these invaders loose inside the country.

I was a little empathic at the start, not so much now. I would empathic if anyone was claiming he was an American, clearly that is just not the case. I'm not a huge fan of it in particular, but at the end of the day... I actually think the nuts are proving that maybe this process was needed to a degree. ???? Either way, it appears a just ending has occurred.

Its like a person admitting to 10 robberies, but denies the 11th robbery and thinks he should be able to just sit it out because he didn't commit the 11th one. Very strange.

I am not saying challenges can't be made to the Proclamation and be successful, but at this point, someone needs to bring a real case, imo.

I'm hoping this won't be used wide spread, but its not going to be easy getting 20-50m gone.... my bet is it won't be done. They're going to have to come up with faster methods.

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