President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

[hog88]

Hot busty brunettes aint a bad type....

Nope, you could do a lot worse.

 

[CobbVol]

So how does this id change any of those state laws?

If photo IDs are currently available then how does this put them in people's hands who don't want one?

Real ID can be used to secure elections like I mentioned with the photo ID. If the states do not want it, so be it.

Like I mentioned, the Real ID was initiated after 9/11 when it was discovered that 18 of the 19 hijackers held a total of 17 driver’s licenses and 13 state-issued IDs between them.

 

[hndog609]

Nope, you could do a lot worse.

It's his main Porn Hub search.

 

[hog88]

Real ID can be used to secure elections like I mentioned with the photo ID. If the states do not want it, so be it.

Like I mentioned, the Real ID was initiated after 9/11 when it was discovered that 18 of the 19 hijackers held a total of 17 driver’s licenses and 13 state-issued IDs between them.

Recently a lady boarded a flight to Europe without a boarding pass, got past security and the gate agent. No ID is going to fix incompetence.

 

[CobbVol]

Thankfully this is being appealed ...

From the article:

A federal judge ordered the Trump Environmental Protection Agency to release $20 billion in climate grants that it has withheld, a major blow to the administration’s efforts to stop what it has called the improper awarding of money to nonprofit green groups.

District Judge Tanya Chutkan in Washington, D.C., issued a preliminary injunction late Tuesday preventing the EPA from “unlawfully suspending or terminating” billions of dollars in climate money from the Greenhouse Gas Reduction Fund, which the Trump administration has said distributed the funds without proper oversight.

The 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, passed by Democrats and signed by former President Joe Biden, established the fund and provides hundreds of billions of dollars in clean energy subsidies.

MSN

Judge orders EPA to release $20 billion in funding for green groups - Washington Examiner

District Judge Tanya Chutkan issued a preliminary injunction on Tuesday blocking the EPA from terminating $20 billion in climate grants.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[utvolpj]

Real ID can be used to secure elections like I mentioned with the photo ID. If the states do not want it, so be it.

Like I mentioned, the Real ID was initiated after 9/11 when it was discovered that 18 of the 19 hijackers held a total of 17 driver’s licenses and 13 state-issued IDs between them.

But what does the real id do that current cards can't? That's the question you keep refusing to answer

 

[volfanhill]

Real ID can be used to secure elections like I mentioned with the photo ID. If the states do not want it, so be it.

Like I mentioned, the Real ID was initiated after 9/11 when it was discovered that 18 of the 19 hijackers held a total of 17 driver’s licenses and 13 state-issued IDs between them.

So can all states current drivers license or state ID cards. This does nothing to help "election integrity." It's just a bizarre justification for this to be enforced.

 

[CobbVol]

But what does the real id do that current cards can't? That's the question you keep refusing to answer

I have answered it multiple times. For elections, it brings a photo ID to the table for voting. Over 50% of the states require no photo ID. Implementing this enhances election security.

I even found you an article that might help you as well. In this article, it mentions that it is not a DB, but a network between states so we can drop the federal DB stuff.

REAL ID Compliance: Enhancing Security, Respecting Liberty, and Reducing Fraud

Abstract: In order to enhance national security by reducing identification fraud, Congress passed the REAL ID Act in 2005, calling on all 50 states to meet minimum security standards for issuing driver’s licenses and state IDs. Seven years after passage of the act, and after two deadline...

www.heritage.org

 

[CobbVol]

So can all states current drivers license or state ID cards. This does nothing to help "election integrity." It's just a bizarre justification for this to be enforced.

If you do not think a photo ID helps election integrity, then I do not know what to say.

 

[Ritzwatch]

Hot busty brunettes aint a bad type....

He said to the man who gets in bed with one every night…..


…and, yes, for the record, she knows it.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[n_huffhines]

Make it make sense. We are living in the stupidest timeline.

 

[utvolpj]

I have answered it multiple times. For elections, it brings a photo ID to the table for voting. Over 50% of the states require no photo ID. Implementing this enhances election security.

I even found you an article that might help you as well. In this article, it mentions that it is not a DB, but a network between states so we can drop the federal DB stuff.

REAL ID Compliance: Enhancing Security, Respecting Liberty, and Reducing Fraud

Abstract: In order to enhance national security by reducing identification fraud, Congress passed the REAL ID Act in 2005, calling on all 50 states to meet minimum security standards for issuing driver’s licenses and state IDs. Seven years after passage of the act, and after two deadline...

www.heritage.org

You have explained nothing. Photo ids already exist and are available at the same place. This ID has absolutely nothing to do with what a state requires when voting

How does this specific ID enhance election security in a way that no other photo ID can?

 

[Ritzwatch]

You have explained nothing. Photo ids already exist and are available at the same place. This ID has absolutely nothing to do with what a state requires when voting

How does this specific ID enhance election security in a way that no other photo ID can?

I think the argument is that the stricter verification process and the more difficult to forge Real IDs make the IDs presented more reliable than IDs that might be easier to forge or don’t require the verification to obtain.

Not sure I agree with that, just like I am not sure how real ID makes flying any safer, but I think that is the argument.

Frankly, I think the gubmint just wants more facial recognition data points.

 

[Vol8188]

Whoever leaked plans to attack Iranian nuclear facilities should be on trial for treason

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

But what does the real id do that current cards can't? That's the question you keep refusing to answer

It's just slightly harder to obtain which means slightly less people will vote which is their entire goal.

 

[Ritzwatch]

It's just slightly harder to obtain which means slightly less people will vote which is their entire goal.

Nah. Real ID was passed in the mid-2000s, purportedly as a security upgrade in the wake of 9/11.

It was supposed to take effect in ‘08 or ‘09, but government efficiency, as always, led to delay after delay.

I don’t think election security had anything to do with the legislation regarding Real ID, but I am open to being shown that I am wrong.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Nah. Real ID was passed in the mid-2000s, purportedly as a security upgrade in the wake of 9/11.

It was supposed to take effect in ‘08 or ‘09, but government efficiency, as always, led to delay after delay.

I don’t think election security had anything to do with the legislation regarding Real ID, but I am open to being shown that I am wrong.

Elections had little to do with the original legislation 20 yrs ago but it's definitely going to be part of the R playbook to enact strict voter ID laws in the future....

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Nah. Real ID was passed in the mid-2000s, purportedly as a security upgrade in the wake of 9/11.

It was supposed to take effect in ‘08 or ‘09, but government efficiency, as always, led to delay after delay.

I don’t think election security had anything to do with the legislation regarding Real ID, but I am open to being shown that I am wrong.

To board planes. Not vote. Last I checked there isn't a constitutional right to board planes

 

[Ritzwatch]

Elections had little to do with the original legislation 20 yrs ago but it's definitely going to be part of the R playbook to enact strict voter ID laws in the future....

Perhaps, but that may be because people otherwise aren't getting it.

I haven't gotten it, and don't plan to. I will just travel with my passport. If Real ID is required for voting, I will get it.

I think the reason is more than voting. I can't figure it out, mainly because I can't figure out what Real ID does for anything, except for giving Government more data points. Which is why I didn't want it to begin with.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Perhaps, but that may be because people otherwise aren't getting it.

I haven't gotten it, and don't plan to. I will just travel with my passport. If Real ID is required for voting, I will get it.

I think the reason is more than voting. I can't figure it out, mainly because I can't figure out what Real ID does for anything, except for giving Government more data points. Which is why I didn't want it to begin with.

The data point thing is an interesting topic. Is an ultimate goal to give these data points to defense companies like PLTR? Is that why Rs are overwhelmingly in favor of it?

 

[volfanhill]

Perhaps, but that may be because people otherwise aren't getting it.

I haven't gotten it, and don't plan to. I will just travel with my passport. If Real ID is required for voting, I will get it.

I think the reason is more than voting. I can't figure it out, mainly because I can't figure out what Real ID does for anything, except for giving Government more data points. Which is why I didn't want it to begin with.

Next time your drivers license is up for renewal you have to get one. At least that's my understanding

 

[Ritzwatch]

To board planes. Not vote. Last I checked there isn't a constitutional right to board planes

Uh, did you read my post? I said I didn't think it had anything to do with election security and nowhere have I said Real ID should be necessary to vote. I simply stated that I don't believe electoral security was a consideration at the time the legislation was passed. If I am wrong, please feel free to show me.

Also, just for edification related to air travel, the Supreme Court has recognized a Constitutional right to interstate travel as part of the "freedom of movement" provided to all citizens. Supporting that Constitutional Right, Congress passed a law (back when they used to do such things, before the Imperial Presidency), that guarantees citizens a right to fly:

49 U.S. Code § 40103 - Sovereignty and use of airspace

www.law.cornell.edu

So, while air travel may not be Constitutionally protected, it is statutorily protected.

That is not to say is is definitively NOT Constitutionally protected also. There are some scholars who think that the right to travel, in modern society, encompasses a Constitutional right to fly (subject to "reasonable restrictions," of course.)

If you have any interest, feel free to check out this journal entry: https://scholar.smu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1060&context=jalc

Sorry if I Geeked out here and ruined a chance an electronic slug-fest; I just find those tiresome and prefer good discussion and debate.

Cheers,

RW

 

[Ritzwatch]

Next time your drivers license is up for renewal you have to get one. At least that's my understanding

2031?

We will all be dead by then. Global Warming. Or Cooling.

Or Russia. Or Israel. Or Trump. Or something like that.

Will they bury me with a passport? Or do I need Real ID for that, too?