Trade Wars and Tariffs

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hog88 said:
They can't have it to know if they want it. My goodness you are something else.

And yes we should ban their beef imports also.
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Should the Caribbean nations ban US oysters and mussels because we prohibit conch imports?

Cool, then you're for making fast food more expensive. That's where the vast majority of Australian beef goes.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Then why the ban if there's no market for it?
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Ask the Aussies. But if they don't want it, and we have no trouble selling it elsewhere, why is it worth taking action against their ban?

And, in fairness, because of weather-related issues with our cattle herds, our exports have been limited the past couple of years, regardless of who might want them.
 
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bamawriter said:
Should the Caribbean nations ban US oysters and mussels because we prohibit conch imports?

Cool, then you're for making fast food more expensive. That's where the vast majority of Australian beef goes.
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Yes, they should if they want to.
 
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bamawriter said:
Weird. I would have thought that your position would be that the US is wrong for our ban on conch.
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It is and the Carribean nations would be justified in banning imports of our seafood. Are you just being intentionally obtuse?
 
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hog88 said:
It is and the Carribean nations would be justified in banning imports of our seafood. Are you just being intentionally obtuse?
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Sorry that I don't live in the fantasy world where the solution to another nation's bad decisions is to harm American consumers.
 
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bamawriter said:
Sorry that I don't live in the fantasy world where the solution to another nation's bad decisions is to harm American consumers.
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And by the way, the US does not ban the importation of conch from Carribean nations. We import a crap ton of it but restrict where it can be harvested from since its a threatened species and it's harvest falls under the international agreement on endangered species.

Poor, really poor example you tried to use to bolster your ignorant argument.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Let me talk about something person.

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I do think bad Corporate leadership plays a part. Interestingly, the media always blames CEOs. The CEO just does what the shareholders wants. It is the shareholders that continue to push for more and more profits instead of investing that capital into their people and company. The media should be citing to greedy share holders rather than CEOs (although on some occasion the CEO can be an owner or majority/major shareholder).

I probably gave too much transparency but if you could see the numbers that I see in my industry and talk to the people that I talk to, you would have a different perspective.
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Bingo. An unrestrained parasite is going to kill the host. That's what the stock and commodities markets have become - unrestrained parasites. Probably has a lot to do with all the retirement funds shoved into the markets. CEOs are likely not blameless since most are invested in the company and play for short term profits rather than long term stability and growth (at least the Jack Welch types), but on the other hand they are also hostage to stockholder greed. Energy cost and the multiplying effect don't help in the least either.
 
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AM64 said:
Bingo. An unrestrained parasite is going to kill the host. That's what the stock and commodities markets have become - unrestrained parasites. Probably has a lot to do with all the retirement funds shoved into the markets. CEOs are likely not blameless since most are invested in the company and play for short term profits rather than long term stability and growth (at least the Jack Welch types), but on the other hand they are also hostage to stockholder greed. Energy cost and the multiplying effect don't help in the least either.
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The "you're only as good as your last quarter" mindset is killing us.
 
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hog88 said:
And by the way, the US does not ban the importation of conch from Carribean nations. We import a crap ton of it but restrict where it can be harvested from since its a threatened species and it's harvest falls under the international agreement on endangered species.

Poor, really poor example you tried to use to bolster your ignorant argument.
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We import conch for breeding which is subsidized by Caribbean nations because the Florida Keys are the best spot for conch mating so that it can be harvested further south. Conch harvesting is banned in FL. We have insanely tight restricitions on importing conch for consumption.
 
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bamawriter said:
We import conch for breeding which is subsidized by Caribbean nations because the Florida Keys are the best spot for conch mating so that it can be harvested further south. Conch harvesting is banned in FL. We have insanely tight restricitions on importing conch for consumption.
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We also import conch for consumption, but yes it is severely restricted due to it being on the threatened species list. Not similar or relevant to the discussion, try again.
 
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hog88 said:
This was the comment in her email that got her rightfully fired. You were in the military, could you have imagined one of your commanders putting out a memo with something like this in it?
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Regardless of bonafides and competence, that's an automatic firing. There's a chance it was done with that in mind
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Interesting that the Chinese turned an atoll into an island in international waters within spitting distance of the Philippines and built a runway there. And no one said a word. If the rest of the world doesn't shun the Chinese with this opportunity, they will never be able to do so.
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That and the bases the Chinese have built in strategic locations - like in Africa near the trade lanes through the Suez Canal. There is a method to their madness, and most seems to be control of shipping lanes and isolation of Asian counties that aren't loyal to China. The thing with the Panamanian ports is a great indicator. The Chinese claim to have no control, but they now have Hong Kong and thus the company controlling the Panamanian ports, and they are so far pressuring Hutchinson not to sell as had been agreed. China has world domination as a goal, and too many people seem not to be paying attention, and almost nobody was screaming and yelling when it was obvious where China was headed with the shoal building projects and the Belt and Road projects. And we just dumbly kept sending manufacturing their way and buying their products.

If you look at history, the Chinese have never in their existence played fairly - and made it a point to make it look like they were the underdog. China trade has always been manipulated to the benefit of the Chinese. Often the Chinese as a concession to allowing trade would require shadow governments in foreign countries. Okinawa is a great example. It was allowed limited trade with China but with a Chinese delegation on Okinawa. If an Okinawan ruler died, Okinawa had to gain Chinese approval for the replacement. China has centuries of graft and management of graft under its belt ... and it knows how to use it.
 
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AM64 said:
Bingo. An unrestrained parasite is going to kill the host. That's what the stock and commodities markets have become - unrestrained parasites. Probably has a lot to do with all the retirement funds shoved into the markets. CEOs are likely not blameless since most are invested in the company and play for short term profits rather than long term stability and growth (at least the Jack Welch types), but on the other hand they are also hostage to stockholder greed. Energy cost and the multiplying effect don't help in the least either.
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Neutron Jack..

I was at a GE Refrig Plant in Decatur AL and plant engineer called him that. I asked why, and he said the buildings are still here but the people are gone..clever.
JW and his effin Sigma 6.
 
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Orangeburst said:
China to ban US films,,bwaaaahaaa.
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bamawriter said:
At least this one only hurts the people Trump doesn't like.
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China only needs one copy of the movie ... and there are plenty of their flunkies here to send that one copy over. After that, they have the whole "manufacturing", voice over, and distribution chain well in hand.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I didn't realize they bought Motorola...
Tariffs are meant to even the playing field between countries import and exports. I have never wanted the US to interfere in other countries affairs, just make sure that we are not getting taken advantage of.. we are not the world police, but if we are gonna be the bastion for the free world we claim to be then we need to rethink the way we view the rest of the world...I'm all for semi isolation and free trade..0-0...no restrictions
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So, you're first sentence is my point.

As of now, it is almost impossible to find an American who doesn't have, at the very least, a significant amount of personal property they purchased through just about any medium that doesn't have Chinese manufacturing behind it. A 4 year tariff war will likely have little effect on that, except it's just going to be way more expensive now.
 
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