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mr.checkerboards said:
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That's about as good of an outcome as we could have had there. Good job DW.

I'm still bummed to this day about the road game against BYU getting cancelled. We were going to hit the Utah NPs the week before the game, then go to the game Saturday. Would have been an awesome trip. Fortunately we're doing the NP part of that trip later next month.
 
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05_never_again said:
That's about as good of an outcome as we could have had there. Good job DW.

I'm still bummed to this day about the road game against BYU getting cancelled. We were going to hit the Utah NPs the week before the game, then go to the game Saturday. Would have been an awesome trip. Fortunately we're doing the NP part of that trip later next month.
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I need to get back out West. Can't believe it's been 12 years already.
 
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GAVol said:
You sound like me talking about batting order.

For older guys, pitch counts are probably overblown. But there sure seem to be a lot of pitchers under 25 that get hurt after a big jump in innings.
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Eh, I'm just of the opinion it's going to happen regardless with the velo these guys throw. Just let them go
 
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005 said:
I like to be data-driven but I admittedly lean much more toward "once they're ready, let them use the bullets they've got on a major league mound" and see what comes out in the wash. Too lazy to be actionable (as is everything being case by case), but as a fan who cares a lot about the game it's where I've been lately.

Maybe it's all light PTSD or ambivalence from the Strasburg of it all. And everyone being an armchair expert on limiting him and what it meant for his talent, let alone moral fiber.
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I think that treating every pitcher the same and have a set pitching plan your organization is a bad idea and seems to be a problem in baseball.
 
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005 said:
I like to be data-driven but I admittedly lean much more toward "once they're ready, let them use the bullets they've got on a major league mound" and see what comes out in the wash. Too lazy to be actionable (as is everything being case by case), but as a fan who cares a lot about the game it's where I've been lately.

Maybe it's all light PTSD or ambivalence from the Strasburg of it all. And everyone being an armchair expert on limiting him and what it meant for his talent, let alone moral fiber.
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I dunno - there was a different set of armchair experts who ended up being correct about him. It wasn't the "you have to limit his innings" people. It was the "his mechanics are flawed and he'll have injury trouble throughout his career, regardless of how much he pitches" people. They also said that about Chris Sale and he was injury-free until 2020 though.
 
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YankeeVol said:
I need to get back out West. Can't believe it's been 12 years already.
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This is really cheesy-sounding, but there is something about the Mountain West that is just magical. I would include the western Dakotas and West Texas in that category. Vastly different landscapes, weather, so many places where as far as the eye can see there is just nothing. It makes rural Appalachia feel crowded by comparison.

I am a born and raised East Tennessean, having never lived anywhere else, but I love going out there.
 
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05_never_again said:
I dunno - there was a different set of armchair experts who ended up being correct about him. It wasn't the "you have to limit his innings" people. It was the "his mechanics are flawed and he'll have injury trouble throughout his career, regardless of how much he pitches" people. They also said that about Chris Sale and he was injury-free until 2020 though.
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It's repeated strain though, right? Mechanical differences or not. And maybe his exacerbated the strain - but I'm not sure his mechanics *by rule* would lead to injuries.

And admittedly we have arrived at the "talking out of my arse" portion of the proceedings, but his ultimate career ender was something totally different than even those with major concerns expected.

And yeah - the "ope, escaped it, then didn't" examples throw off my perception of all of this. It doesn't seem systematic other than "strain due to velocity and max effort."
 
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005 said:
It's repeated strain though, right? Mechanical differences or not. And maybe his exacerbated the strain - but I'm not sure his mechanics *by rule* would lead to injuries.

And admittedly we have arrived at the "talking out of my arse" portion of the proceedings, but his ultimate career ender was something totally different than even those with major concerns expected.

And yeah - the "ope, escaped it, then didn't" examples throw off my perception of all of this. It doesn't seem systematic other than "strain due to velocity and max effort."
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This is the Inverted W guy. He says that, yes, the Inverted W in and of itself isn't a problem but it can create a timing problem during the delivery that puts lots of stress on the arm/elbow.

Whether he and others like him are blind squirrels finding nuts or on to something, I don't know. He has constructed something of a tautology (if an Inverted W guy doesn't get hurt, then he can say that his Inverted W isn't causing timing issues) but they have spotlighted a lot of prominent young pitchers like Stras, Mark Prior, etc. over the years and said before they started having a bunch of arm/shoulder problems that they were going to have a bunch of arm/shoulder problems.
 
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005 said:
And mechanically people have steered away from it more, yes?
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I don't know. Skenes has an Inverted W. Sandy A does it.

That guy seems kind of crazy and has constructed his theory in such a way that he can never be proven wrong. Having said that, I'm sure there are deliveries that create more stress on the arm than others, but most pitchers are going to get hurt one way or another because the human shoulder/elbow/arm wasn't designed to do what they are doing. You're taking this set of muscles/tendons/bones and throwing them violently away from the body repeatedly.
 
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05_never_again said:

This is the Inverted W guy. He says that, yes, the Inverted W in and of itself isn't a problem but it can create a timing problem during the delivery that puts lots of stress on the arm/elbow.

Whether he and others like him are blind squirrels finding nuts or on to something, I don't know. He has constructed something of a tautology (if an Inverted W guy doesn't get hurt, then he can say that his Inverted W isn't causing timing issues) but they have spotlighted a lot of prominent young pitchers like Stras, Mark Prior, etc. over the years and said before they started having a bunch of arm/shoulder problems that they were going to have a bunch of arm/shoulder problems.
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This guys a clown FYI
 
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05_never_again said:
I don't know. Skenes has an Inverted W.

That guy seems kind of crazy and has constructed his theory in such a way that he can never be proven wrong. Having said that, I'm sure there are deliveries that create more stress on the arm than others, but most pitchers are going to get hurt one way or another because the human shoulder/elbow/arm wasn't designed to do what they are doing.
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Yeah he seems to have some BIG FEELINGS on all of this haha.

Skenes is currently the "look at him, how does he break" guy. Skubal built, too.

1-2 in FB velo for SP last year... We'll flipping see.
 
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TBrown said:
This guys a clown FYI
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He certainly seems to have a unique personality. I wonder if that clouds what he is saying though, as opposed to what he's saying being dead wrong.

Whistleblowers are oftentimes pretty weird people, which is a big reason why nobody listens to them.
 
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