Trade Wars and Tariffs

That is right about the refrigerants. Looking into replacing an existing system early this year I found that out. At that time there was a market in new pre-2025 systems wherever a few were still in inventory being shipped all over the south. I think they’ve sold out.
this most recent refrigerant change is the most dramatic, but they have made several adjustments in the last 5 years.

this is just the biggest one and manufacturers aren't able to eat this cost, because it goes beyond $$$. its a safety issue too. the dumb arse EPA doesn't care about any of our safety. didn't bother reading a building code. actively rejected listening to any of the industry experts who told this them stuff is flammable.

instead they created a defacto monopoly, and called it a win for the environment.
 
Probably maybe.

I know I will. I have 12 years min till I retire. But I'd rather the market crash due something other than a retard thinking tariffs work. I'm no conspiracy theorist but it seems Trump is doing whatever he can to weaken the US. I see nothing that shows the US being put into any position of strength on any front. I mean the dudes taking advice from a 30 year old woman going on 60 with filler in her face and lips..
What did you expect when he is surrounding himself with leg humping morons and tinfoil hatters like Musk, Loomer, Hegseth, Kennedy, Navarro and that cretin in charge of immigration just to name a few? Certainly nobody with the nads to contradict him or advise him intelligently.

If he would just concentrate on the border situation and rooting out corruption in the US government, that would be a great start and a majority of folks would strongly support that. But he is more focused on economically strong arming the world into making “deals” because that’s all he knows. Don’t think a lot of those countries are going to cooperate. The tariff situation is chaotic and not part of a well thought out plan.

Certainly other administrations have a part in where we are but the “what about” days are over. If Trump is the grand genius that a lot of MAGA folks think he is, he was voted in to fix it. What happens now is on him and his voters. As someone said earlier, the Republicans are headed for a midterm bloodbath if somebody doesn’t get his attention.
 
Probably maybe.

I know I will. I have 12 years min till I retire. But I'd rather the market crash due something other than a retard thinking tariffs work. I'm no conspiracy theorist but it seems Trump is doing whatever he can to weaken the US. I see nothing that shows the US being put into any position of strength on any front. I mean the dudes taking advice from a 30 year old woman going on 60 with filler in her face and lips..
Howard Lutnick would be the person more behind the tariff policy than anyone imho.
 
Yes, and thank you for making me feel important enough that you would quote me from a year and a half ago.
I'm guessing you were also whining about $3.99 eggs during Biden but you're now telling people to toughen up when there's an unnecessary $9000 bump for new home construction price.
 
Completely doing away with the Vietnamese tariff could save the US up to $670 million per year. That's all well and good.

The problem is that Americans spend about $11.4 billion PER MONTH on Vietnamese made products. Increasing those prices by 46% is disastrous for American consumers. Even if the tariffs get 86'd in a few months, it will take years for the tariff savings to offset the spike in consumer prices.

They aren't increasing. Trump is removing the tariff if Vietnam does, that is the offer and sounds like it will happen.

EDIT: Now that is pending Trump accepts it.
 
Good for you.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's gone about this about as stupidly as he could have but I'm hoping like hell it works out in the end. I'm in the wait and see mode right now, I've lived through this shot a couple times and always came out better so no reason to throw a hissy fit YET.
It will work if given the time. The question is how much time it would take. If he’s just leveraging for negotiations I think we could see “better” trade deals fairly quickly. Pressure on his administration probably cranks up as mid term campaigning approaches though. I could see some republicans folding soon.
 
I'm guessing you were also whining about $3.99 eggs during Biden but you're now telling people to toughen up when there's an unnecessary $9000 bump for new home construction price.
That new home bump happened during Biden's term as well. I paid an extra $3k just for garage doors so I could close

How quickly we forget
 
Like I said: the play here is one country after the next making a deal with Trump and endless good press that will come of it. In the meantime, bonds fall, they refinance the debt, turn on QE, institute permanent tax cuts, and the markets will recover. The bad news is the pain we are about to experience to get to that point. This is what I think will play out.
 
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Completely doing away with the Vietnamese tariff could save the US up to $670 million per year. That's all well and good.

The problem is that Americans spend about $11.4 billion PER MONTH on Vietnamese made products. Increasing those prices by 46% is disastrous for American consumers. Even if the tariffs get 86'd in a few months, it will take years for the tariff savings to offset the spike in consumer prices.
I am against these tariffs. I think they are a terrible idea and have the chance to be one of the biggest economic clusters of modern times.
That said, they are our policy, so I hope they work. Even work "bigly" for all of us. I doubt it, but I can hope for it.

So, to try to be optimistic: one way the Vietnamese tariff could benefit us is if they come to the table, quickly, and we negotiate a win/win with them. That could encourage other countries to come to the table, quickly, to negotiate their own deal. The first ones in are likely to suffer the least damage to their economies, and the last ones in aren't going to have nearly as much negotiating power. Again, I don't like the tariffs, but this is one way in which we could win in this nightmare of a scenario.
If in the end we actually can produce some of what we need to survive, without being totally dependent on other countries for things like, say, cell phones, that would be a good think also.

Of course, to get countries to the table, they have to want to alleviate the suffering (economic or otherwise) of their own people due to tariffs. Unfortunately, some of our biggest trade partners wouldn't hesitate to kill a few million of their own to take us down. 🇨🇳
 
They aren't increasing. Trump is removing the tariff if Vietnam does, that is the offer and sounds like it will happen.

EDIT: Now that is pending Trump accepts it.

That's a big assumption. Heck, Trump slapped 10% on Australia with whom we have a free trade agreement, effective tariffs of 0%, and a trade surplus. If Australia gets no love, why would Vietnam be any different?
 
That is correct. Musk and a group of other investors took X private.

Thanks. That’s what I thought. He was stating some investor was telling people to short X and I was pointing out I don’t believe that’s a possibility anymore
 
What doe any other point he might have made in the video, have to do with the fact that trying to characterize tariffs as tax cuts, is an outright nonsensical lie?

It’s all in the same sentence. Only publishing a small piece of how he answered is a spin by that liberal outlet. The original comment that you jumped on was your objecting to it being called propaganda.
 
That's a big assumption. Heck, Trump slapped 10% on Australia with whom we have a free trade agreement, effective tariffs of 0%, and a trade surplus. If Australia gets no love, why would Vietnam be any different?

Same with Israel. Israel has 0% tariffs with us and I think 15% is what he was trying.

It’s nonsense. But hopefully it is a negotiation point and will mainly be used to lower other tariffs. But idk.
 
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