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rekinhavoc said:

The total size of the announced investments since Trump took office on January 20, 2025, is just over $2.8 trillion.

The list of companies and countries investing in the U.S. based on the size of commitment is noted below:

  • UAE - $1.4 trillion
  • Saudi Arabia - $600 billion
  • Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) - $500 billion
  • NVIDIA - $100 billion
  • Softbank/OpenAi/Oracle (as part of Stargate) - $100 billion
  • Taiwan Semiconductor - $100 billion
  • Johnson & Johnson - $55 billion
  • Eli Lilly (NYSE: LLY) - $27 billion
  • CMA CGM Group - $20 billion
  • Merck (NYSE: MRK) - $1 billion
  • GE Aerospace - $1 billion
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LSU-SIU said:
The White House is saying the information that the reporter had access to is not classified so he is able to publish it.
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We are just going in circles here.

The White House is saying that post-facto. Unless Hegseth stated during the text chain that the sensitive information that he was revealing was not classified material then that it is not a valid defense.

There is no way that Goldberg was free to publish details of a pending military strike at the time he received it on March 11th. If he had put Hegseth's information on the internet, it would have compromised the security of a forthcoming military operation. That is just common sense.

Was Jeffrey Goldberg free to publish Hegseth's information on March 11th, before the strike had taken place? No reasonable person is going to answer that with a "Yes, he was." You can say he is free to publish it now .... but he obviously wasn't at the time he received it. It was highly sensitive information (that is assuming, that Goldberg has what he claims to have).

Now, we are both just repeating ourselves over and over. I'm not going around in circles with you anymore.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We are just going in circles here.
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You are going in circles.

Was Jeffrey Goldberg free to publish Hegseth's information on March 11th, before the strike had taken place? No reasonable person is going to answer that with a "Yes, he was." You can say he is free to publish it now .... but he obviously wasn't at the time he received it. It was highly sensitive information (that is assuming, that Goldberg has what he claims to have.
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That is his choice, but as of right now he can publish said information.

There is no way that Goldberg was free to publish details of a pending military strike at the time he received it on March 11th. If he had put Hegseth's information on the internet, it would have compromised the security of a military operation. That is just common sense.
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That is fine as far as your opinion.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Whether it was formally classified or not, it was clearly sensitive information. Details concerning a pending military operation should obviously not be revealed to the public. That's basically what you're doing when you give information to a journalist. The White House is trying to assert a post-facto defense .... that sensitive material had been declassified, but they are doing so AFTER it had already been revealed. That is a ridiculous defense to the mishandling of information.

What lies has Jeffrey Goldberg been caught telling? Be specific. Don't just say, "He works for The Atlantic, thereforeive a specific example of a lie he has told.

Who has told Goldberg to release the whole text? When did he refuse?
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The suckers and losers was debunked quickly and he never proved his sources, but others there with Trump came out...then there was the military funeral lie which was **** down instantly..I'm sure youll dig up some lefty site that would read religiously....he has released after the WH said there was nothing classified and he was welcome to release the whole chain..again no one is saying it's not a bad look...there saying your and your cult are blowing it outta proportion because you have nothing else
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You are going in circles.



That is his choice, but as of right now he can publish said information.



That is fine as far as your opinion.
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You are going in circles .... and I'm following you.

Jeffrey Goldberg did not have the choice of putting Pete Hegseth's information on the internet before the military strike, unless Pete Hegseth declared the sensitive information he was disclosing (and that's sensitive information as the United States government defines it), to be unclassified material. The White House is using a very weak defense here. It's a post-facto defense. They are trying to claim that the sensitive material that their cabinet mishandled was not classified, but unless that was stated prior to its disclosure to a journalist ... it is not a valid defense.

I would hope that would be common sense for an adult.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
The suckers and losers was debunked quickly and he never proved his sources, but others there with Trump came out...then there was the military funeral lie which was **** down instantly..I'm sure youll dig up some lefty site that would read religiously....he has released after the WH said there was nothing classified and he was welcome to release the whole chain..again no one is saying it's not a bad look...there saying your and your cult are blowing it outta proportion because you have nothing else
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That is a lot of projection.

It's much more than just a "bad look." Sensitive information involving a pending military operation was mishandled. The White House is trying to use a post-facto defense, and Trump's cult members (this includes you) will buy into anything that Trump and his flunkies tell you.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are going in circles .... and I'm following you.

Jeffrey Goldberg did not have the choice of putting Pete Hegseth's information on the internet before the military strike, unless Pete Hegseth declared the sensitive information he was disclosing (and that's sensitive information as the United States government defines it), to be unclassified material. The White House is using a very weak defense here. It's a post-facto defense. They are trying to claim that the sensitive material that they their cabinet mishandled was not classified, but unless that was stated prior to its disclosure to a journalist ... it is not a valid defense.

I would hope that would be common sense for an adult.
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The White House is using a very weak defense here. It's a post-facto defense.
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There is no defense, more of an explanation.

They are trying to claim that the sensitive material that they their cabinet mishandled was not classified, but unless that was stated prior to its disclosure to a journalist ... it is not a valid defense.
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The only ones with authority to make that call... say its not classified. There is no defense because none is needed legally... its not classified.

You are going in circles .... and I'm following you.
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You are wanting a desired result, but in this case its unlikely.... so you keep going in the same circle.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There is no defense, more of an explanation.



The only ones with authority to make that call... say its not classified. There is no defense because none is needed legally... its not classified.



You are wanting a desired result, but in this case its unlikely.... so you keep going in the same circle.
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BB85 keeps posting his loon redundancy hoping someone will take him serious..
 
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LSU-SIU said:
There is no defense, more of an explanation.



The only ones with authority to make that call... say its not classified. There is no defense because none is needed legally... its not classified.



You are wanting a desired result, but in this case its unlikely.... so you keep going in the same circle.
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Wrong. It's a weak post-facto defense.

The White House is now saying that the information that Pete Hegseth disclosed to a journalist wasn't classified information, but they are doing so retroactive to the disclosure of that same information. It doesn't matter what they say now .... it would have mattered BEFORE a journalist was given that sensitive information, but the White House would not have described Hegseth's information as being unclassified BEFORE that military strike took place. It would have compromised the mission. This is common sense.

You would never accept such a weak post-facto defense from a Democratic Party administration. This is political tribalism.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is a lot of projection.

It's much more than just a "bad look." Sensitive information involving a pending military operation was mishandled. The White House is trying to use a post-facto defense, and Trump's cult members (this includes you) will buy into anything that Trump and his flunkies tell you.
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So what should have been the WH response to JG claims??? When both parties have the chain...JG is making the claim...the burden of proof is on the accuser...he has the chain..the WH said feel free to release it...there is no common sense reason not to release it...unless he is not being truthful again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One piece of logic that truly mystifies me is that Trump keeps calling Goldberg a scumbag or a selazebag.

Doesn't that make it WORSE that he was in the chat ??
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No. This type of question just reinforces my strong belief that you are not an attorney.
 
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utvolpj said:
So it's all good as long as there are no "adverse consequences"? That's quite the interesting take

Also curious how it was successful besides the bombs actually exploding. This doesn't help the average American in any form and just continues the evil treatment of Yemen
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Yeah I love measuring success in the amount of people killed versus long term goal accomplishment!

Not to mention there were "no consequences" because the reporter did not come out with this until after the fact. I'm not sure how you can tout that as no harm no foul when it easily could have been due to their incompetence.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Wrong. It's a weak post-facto defense.

The White House is now saying that the information that Pete Hegseth disclosed to a journalist wasn't classified information, but they are doing so retroactive to the disclosure of that same information. It doesn't matter what they say now .... it would have mattered BEFORE a journalist was given that sensitive information, but the White House would not have described Hegseth's information as being unclassified BEFORE that military strike took place. It would have compromised the mission. This is common sense.

You would never accept such a weak post-facto defense from a Democratic Party administration. This is political tribalism.
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Hegseth has full classification authority as head of the agency.
 
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rekinhavoc said:

The total size of the announced investments since Trump took office on January 20, 2025, is just over $2.8 trillion.

The list of companies and countries investing in the U.S. based on the size of commitment is noted below:

  • UAE - $1.4 trillion
  • Saudi Arabia - $600 billion
  • Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) - $500 billion
  • NVIDIA - $100 billion
  • Softbank/OpenAi/Oracle (as part of Stargate) - $100 billion
  • Taiwan Semiconductor - $100 billion
  • Johnson & Johnson - $55 billion
  • Eli Lilly (NYSE: LLY) - $27 billion
  • CMA CGM Group - $20 billion
  • Merck (NYSE: MRK) - $1 billion
  • GE Aerospace - $1 billion
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Tariffs don't work.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Hegseth has full classification authority as head of the agency.
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You are not following me.

Their whole defense is post-facto, unless Hegseth stated that the information he was disclosing was unclassified prior to its disclosure to a journalist, or even during its disclosure to a journalist. If he did that? Fine. If not? Then Pete Hegseth mishandled sensitive information during that group chat with Jeffrey Goldberg,

Be reasonable here. If Jeffrey Goldberg had announced his presence on this chat, and asked Pete Hegseth if he was free to post his information concerning the details of a pending military strike on the internet, well before this military operation was scheduled to take place ....

Would Pete Hegseth have said :

"Sure thing, Jeff .... Knock yourself out. It's unclassified information. The United States routinely announces our intentions of where and how we intend to strike our adversaries. Ike even gave the Germans a head's up at Normandy on June 6, 1944."

I can't believe how hard you are arguing something that really should be common sense. You can't retroactively declassify information to its public disclosure.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is something specific. Good find.

Goldberg clearly does have an anti-Trump agenda. So, wouldn't he be one of the last people on earth that Trump's cabinet would be in contact with .... and obviously someone was.
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Wouldn't he be one of the first to prove they had shared classified info (if they had), while being one of the last to take his word for it (if he won't prove it)?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Not to mention there were "no consequences" because the reporter did not come out with this until after the fact. I'm not sure how you can tout that as no harm no foul when it easily could have been due to their incompetence.
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Exactly.

You can say a lot of negative things about Jeffrey Goldberg .... but he really could have f***ed the Trump administration here, if he had put Pete Hegseth's information on the internet as soon as he got it (obviously, well ahead of the military strike). There would be no arguing that was not classified information if that strike had gone awry afterward.

Of course, there would have been serious repercussions for Jeffrey Goldberg as well.
 
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lawgator1 said:
One piece of logic that truly mystifies me is that Trump keeps calling Goldberg a scumbag or a selazebag.

Doesn't that make it WORSE that he was in the chat ??
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To me, it makes it more possible they were trying to set him up/find him out re: admin leaks.
 
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