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#476
#476
pimo1 said:
name a few? I'll wait. Have players improved overall under CRB of course he is a great coach and has a great program. But offense is not his specialty. I hate how folks get all up in arms when the truth is told even if its not negative perse. He is not gonna stagnate some ones development...but you come to UT to play/learn defense under CRB. In this system offense is a byproduct of good D.
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Kevin Punter, Grant, Admiral, Bone all improved significantly on offense at UT under Barnes. The fact that they had some offensive ability before they got here does not discount offensive improvement while in college. Is your point that the only players that count as offensive development for the coach is players that came in with no offensive ability and developed into great offensive players? That seems like a ridiculous metric.
 
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#480
pimo1 said:
I am not knocking Barnes (I am 100% i nthe CRB fanboy club) just saying developing an offensive game is not a thing that normally happens here. Guys develop defensively the guys that have improved offensively came in as offensive guys. DK and Lanier didn't 'develop' offensively in this system neither did Grant....they all developed defensively. WIll/have guys incrementally improve over time? Of course, in any decent program they will.

It's like saying I'm going to a camp hosted by Mugsy Bogues to learn how to dunk. I probably won't get optimal results there.
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Grant Williams absolutely learned his offensive game at UT. So did Jordan Bowden and John Fulkerson and Jonas Aidoo and…

Knecht and Chaz learned how to get their shot in a big boy game.
 
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#481
VolGee4 said:
Grant Williams absolutely learned his offensive game at UT. So did Jordan Bowden and John Fulkerson and Jonas Aidoo and…

Knecht and Chaz learned how to get their shot in a big boy game.
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outside of grant look at the scoring output of all the guys you just named and stfu
 
#483
#483
pimo1 said:
name a few? I'll wait. Have players improved overall under CRB of course he is a great coach and has a great program. But offense is not his specialty. I hate how folks get all up in arms when the truth is told even if its not negative perse. He is not gonna stagnate some ones development...but you come to UT to play/learn defense under CRB. In this system offense is a byproduct of good D.
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I’m not up in arms at all. You’re just wrong. I don’t have to make them all. Punter. Grant. Admiral. Etc etc etc
 
#491
#491
Pile on or not.. but if you have a stance back it up.

People keep saying all these amazing scorers developed... but out side of Grant, none of them peaked at more than 14 a game. Even with Grant he just improved incrementally over the years. He was never a bad scorer his minutes improved and so did his scoring.
 
#493
#493
pimo1 said:
Pile on or not.. but if you have a stance back it up.

People keep saying all these amazing scorers developed... but out side of Grant, none of them peaked at more than 14 a game. Even with Grant he just improved incrementally over the years. He was never a bad scorer his minutes improved and so did his scoring.
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So Punter averages 10ppg the season before Barnes gets here and then 22ppg in Barnes first year. But yeah Barnes didn't develop him on offense at all. 🤔
 
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#495
allvolrecruiting said:
That Dalton Knecht kid sure sucked on offense!
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While I certainly don't agree with the original silly premise that Barnes develops no one offensively, Knecht isn't a great example. He was pretty much a finished product, offensively, when he arrived on campus.

Kevin Punter, Jordan Bone, Admiral Schofield, Robert Hubbs, Grant Williams, Yves Pons, John Fulkerson, Zakai Zeigler, Jonas Aidoo among others are better examples of guys who spent multiple years at Tennessee and developed their offensive games across their time in a Tennessee uniform. None of those guys walked on campus as elite offensive players. OP would have you believe they either did, or that they simply defied Barnes's offensive regression plan.
 
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#496
cncchris33 said:
While I certainly don't agree with the original silly premise that Barnes develops no one offensively, Knecht isn't a great example. He was pretty much a finished product, offensively, when he arrived on campus.

Kevin Punter, Jordan Bone, Admiral Schofield, Robert Hubbs, Grant Williams, Yves Pons, John Fulkerson, Zakai Zeigler, Jonas Aidoo among others are better examples of guys who spent multiple years at Tennessee and developed their offensive games across their time in a Tennessee uniform. None of those guys walked on campus as elite offensive players. OP would have you believe they either did, or that they simply defied Barnes's offensive regression plan.
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Indeed. I was more so picking on the OP lol
 
#499
#499
pimo1 said:
Pile on or not.. but if you have a stance back it up.

People keep saying all these amazing scorers developed... but out side of Grant, none of them peaked at more than 14 a game. Even with Grant he just improved incrementally over the years. He was never a bad scorer his minutes improved and so did his scoring.
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LMAO...you could say this for most every player at every program so I guess none of the other coaches get credit for developing offensive players either because they developed "incrementally" and their minutes went up.

Aidoo became all SEC under CRB (look at him this season), Punter revamped his shot and became all SEC, Fulky improved his O by leaps & bounds, Admiral, Bone, Bowden, Gainey, etc...

Even DK said his time at TN really helped his offensive game evolve.

But pls keep gaslighting us with your nonsense.
 
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pimo1 said:
Pile on or not.. but if you have a stance back it up.

People keep saying all these amazing scorers developed... but out side of Grant, none of them peaked at more than 14 a game. Even with Grant he just improved incrementally over the years. He was never a bad scorer his minutes improved and so did his scoring.
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Even as ridiculous as this idea is, your own words seem to oppose your entire premise.
 
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