Trade Wars and Tariffs

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MontyPython said:
Hmmm... what I miss today.

Trump imposes 50% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum.

No. Wait. Trump does that then undoes that hours later.

It's 4D chess by the Grandmaster. No. Wait. Correction: He's a ****ing moron.

For those of you paying attention with the eyes wide open, the Canadian public is going to totally f*** us here. They rightfully hate Orangeman. They're gonna stop buying our products and services. This is not how you go about helping our economy.
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Posted 20 minutes before the above...

MontyPython said:
RE: Peace plan and intelligence and weapons suppies resumed.

Nice job, Little Marco... and God forbid... Donald.

Not sure what the real machinations are behind the scenes, but this is great news. Presume Zelenskyy had to mortgage Ukraine to the hilt to get the deal.
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lol

Take a lesson from yourself and learn some patience. See how things work out. But you can't. You just need your hate validated, and it seems you need to live in the future to get that from Trump.
 
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I figured this would fit here as well, just for the chicken little(s):

Franklin Pierce said:

BREAKING NEWS: Canada Folds to Trump and CANCELS bombshell electricity tariff after president's trade war escalation​


Canada folded to President Donald Trump after he vowed the nation would pay an historically big 'financial price' for the electricity tariff it imposed on the United States.

In response, Ontario Premier Doug Ford said he would cut the 25% tariff on Canadian electricity to Michigan, New York and Minnesota that he put in place on Monday in response to earlier tariffs from Trump.

He noted in a statement he had been speaking with Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick about the situation and the two men agreed to meet Thursday, March 13th alongside the United States Trade Representative to discuss reciprocal tariffs that Trump wants to put in place on April 2nd.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Canada folds to Trump and CANCELS bombshell electricity tariff

Canada folded to President Donald Trump after he vowed the nation would pay a historically big 'financial price' for the electricity tariff it imposed on the United States.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Who was in here claiming that tariffs are useless because the manufacturers don't want workers?

Watch the mea copa. From campaigning for Kamala to siding with Trump and his tariffs. The auto unions seem to be saying that we desperately need the manufacturing and jobs it'll bring.

 
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MontyPython said:
Hmmm... what I miss today.

Trump imposes 50% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum.

No. Wait. Trump does that then undoes that hours later.

It's 4D chess by the Grandmaster. No. Wait. Correction: He's a ****ing moron.

For those of you paying attention with the eyes wide open, the Canadian public is going to totally f*** us here. They rightfully hate Orangeman. They're gonna stop buying our products and services. This is not how you go about helping our economy.
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Actually Canada backed down on their 25% electricity tariff.
The tariff will be a boon to bootleggers willing to smuggle over the border. (Assuming a tariffed item is bootleg-able)
 
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Ashevolle said:
It's a good thing the US is turning its back on science and education. Should prove to be quite the gambit to address this quandry.
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More like our education system is a failure and has been for sometime. I worked in education, greatest issue tends to be the lack of discipline/accountability of students and parents today.
 
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LouderVol said:
the DoE has failed on even the basics, so I guess I shouldn't be shocked they couldn't teach you critical thinking.

not letting schooling getting in the way of your education doesn't mean: No schooling. it just means, don't be limited by only knowing what the school tells you.

There is a lot that is: wrong, biased/not presented fairly, or just flat out left out.
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Public schools have always been way behind. Compare any public school against MBA, Brentwood Academy, Goodpasture, Father Ryan, St Cecilia, David-Lipscomb, etc. Here in Nashville. No comparison. Maybe a magnet school like Hume-Fogg stands a chance. More $$ or the Dept of Education won't help, it is cultural.

If Dept of Education or even Tennessee's public education programs worked, private schools wouldn't be leagues ahead.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Public schools have always been way behind. Compare any public school against MBA, Brentwood Academy, Goodpasture, Father Ryan, St Cecilia, David-Lipscomb, etc. Here in Nashville. No comparison. Maybe a magnet school like Hume-Fogg stands a chance. More $$ or the Dept of Education won't help, it is cultural.

If Dept of Education or even Tennessee's public education programs worked, private schools wouldn't be leagues ahead.
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eh, I went to a private school. it was better than some of the public schools I heard about, but not as good as others. We had teachers come from public schools and go back to public schools to get away from the issues with our school on the learning side. I feel like the private schools were the first to really jump on the standardized test train, and I think that has been the main problem with our current education.

our school was more focused on making sure everyone had good grades, rather than a good education. If you were struggling in a class they would drop you down a level. there was a remedial math class for our senior class that was teaching arithmetic and basic multiplication. and it wasn't just for the jocks they went out and recruited, kids who had been in private school their whole lives.

even if you had no intention of going to college, they made you apply to a 4 year university, just so they could sell 99% of our graduates go to a 4 year school.

way too much focus on the image of learning rather than the actual content.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Public schools have always been way behind. Compare any public school against MBA, Brentwood Academy, Goodpasture, Father Ryan, St Cecilia, David-Lipscomb, etc. Here in Nashville. No comparison. Maybe a magnet school like Hume-Fogg stands a chance. More $$ or the Dept of Education won't help, it is cultural.

If Dept of Education or even Tennessee's public education programs worked, private schools wouldn't be leagues ahead.
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Tennessee has abhorrent public education. Many many states are WAY better than Tennessee and have good public schools. Where i live no one sends their kids to private school unless they want a religious education because, scholastically, the public school options are simply better unless you live in an economically depressed district.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Tennessee has abhorrent public education. Many many states are WAY better than Tennessee and have good public schools. Where i live no one sends their kids to private school unless they want a religious education because, scholastically, the public school options are simply better unless you live in an economically depressed district.
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I wonder how much the cesspool aka Shelby County skews Tennessee's education ranking.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Tennessee has abhorrent public education. Many many states are WAY better than Tennessee and have good public schools. Where i live no one sends their kids to private school unless they want a religious education because, scholastically, the public school options are simply better unless you live in an economically depressed district.
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I could list any state and the private schools kick the crap out of public schools. Public Schools are failing and it is more than just about needing more money or DOE.

In my count, over 70 cents to a dollar of my local taxes go to education but yet they still cry for more. We are paying more into education than we have ever before and yet it is worse than it was 30-40 years ago.

Also, some of those middle Tennessee private schools that I listed would beat any public school in any STATE, not just Tennessee.
 
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LouderVol said:
eh, I went to a private school. it was better than some of the public schools I heard about, but not as good as others. We had teachers come from public schools and go back to public schools to get away from the issues with our school on the learning side. I feel like the private schools were the first to really jump on the standardized test train, and I think that has been the main problem with our current education.

our school was more focused on making sure everyone had good grades, rather than a good education. If you were struggling in a class they would drop you down a level. there was a remedial math class for our senior class that was teaching arithmetic and basic multiplication. and it wasn't just for the jocks they went out and recruited, kids who had been in private school their whole lives.

even if you had no intention of going to college, they made you apply to a 4 year university, just so they could sell 99% of our graduates go to a 4 year school.

way too much focus on the image of learning rather than the actual content.
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I went to arguably the best private school in GA. Westminster. They taught how to study and prepare. I struggled in highschool. Tennessee was easy.
 
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McDad said:
Actually Canada backed down on their 25% electricity tariff.
The tariff will be a boon to bootleggers willing to smuggle over the border. (Assuming a tariffed item is bootleg-able)
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While I hate the way he is doing it, Trump is correct in that our trade partners are absolutely flogging us. Which is ok in abundant times, we could absorb it. But in lean times, when the dollar buys less, it's no longer as easy to swallow.

Trade terms had to be more favorable for us. This could have been achieved slowly over time, and ruffled less feathers. But Trump obviously is going shock and awe.

It has achieved some short term concessions. We will see long term.

Plainly put we have to invest in America and get heavy industry and manufacturing ripping at home again. We've lost virtually all of our heavy steel manufacturing capability. That has to change for a number of reasons.
 
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Per CNBC:

"The Aluminum Association, a U.S. organization comprised of industry decision makers, believes that rebuilding domestic smelting capacity could take large provisions of electricity and potentially have a net negative effect on the domestic labor force. In an interview with CNBC, the group also noted that it could take around eight to 10 years to build new industrial facilities like “smelters” which convert alumina into its final, consumer-friendly form.

“In the meantime we will import,” Johnson said."

In other words, even the trade association representing the aluminum industry here in the United States is opposed to tariffs. Yet Dumb Ass Donald is doing it anyway.

Now he threatens a 200% new liquor tariff on the EU because they dared to counter-impose new liquor tariffs on us... offsetting the tariffs Trump put on them.

Guess where it ends? It doesn't.

For the know-nothing bootlicker armchair economists who support Orangeblob (looking at you @hog88) if you can't see that tariffs are a fool's errand now, guessing you will blindly follow Trump off a cliff like a lemming.

And the stock market is falling again. Shocker.
 
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MontyPython said:
Per CNBC:

"The Aluminum Association, a U.S. organization comprised of industry decision makers, believes that rebuilding domestic smelting capacity could take large provisions of electricity and potentially have a net negative effect on the domestic labor force. In an interview with CNBC, the group also noted that it could take around eight to 10 years to build new industrial facilities like “smelters” which convert alumina into its final, consumer-friendly form.

“In the meantime we will import,” Johnson said."

In other words, even the trade association representing the aluminum industry here in the United States is opposed to tariffs. Yet Dumb Ass Donald is doing it anyway.

Now he threatens a 200% new liquor tariff on the EU because they dared to counter-impose new liquor tariffs on us... offsetting the tariffs Trump put on them.

Guess where it ends? It doesn't.

For the know-nothing bootlicker armchair economists who support Orangeblob (looking at you @hog88) if you can't see that tariffs are a fool's errand now, guessing you will blindly follow Trump off a cliff like a lemming.

And the stock market is falling again. Shocker.
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I am against the tariffs

I'm also against our absurd debt/deficit

I also think anyone who claims to have an economics degree, should have that degree revoked, if they think we are fine. Of if they compare it to a mortgage
 
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volfanhill said:
I am against the tariffs

I'm also against our absurd debt/deficit

I also think anyone who claims to have an economics degree, should have that degree revoked, if they think we are fine. Of if they compare it to a mortgage
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Here we go again. OK sure... let's play.

Tell me, are you opposed to our government having debt. If yes, why? If no, what level of debt is acceptable and why do you chose that amount/percentage?
 
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volbound1700 said:
I don't trust those websites anyways. It is posted by people in the Education Department that have clear bias and gain by skewing numbers.
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Lol, the numbers are pulled directly from the dataset published by the State.

TDOE Releases 2023-24 State-, District-, & School-Level TCAP Results

Nashville, TN— Today, the Tennessee Department of Education released the 2023-24 Tennessee Comprehensive Assessment Program (TCAP) state-, district-, and school-level results, which include both fall 2023 end-of-course (EOC) exams and spring 2024 exams in English language arts (ELA)...
www.tn.gov www.tn.gov
 
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