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British Blasphemy? UK Government Moves Toward New Definition of “Islamophobia” for Speech Regulation

Recently, after the speech of Vice President J.D. Vance in Munich, various European leaders went public to express their shock and disbelief that they would be accused of rolling back on free speec…
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A man was convicted for sending a tweet while drunk referring to dead soldiers. Another was arrested for an anti-police t-shirt. Another was arrested for calling the Irish boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend a “leprechaun.” Yet another was arrested for singing “Kung Fu Fighting.” A teenager was arrested for protesting outside of a Scientology center with a sign calling the religion a “cult.”Last year, Nicholas Brock, 52, was convicted of a thought crime in Maidenhead, Berkshire. The neo-Nazi was given a four-year sentence for what the court called his “toxic ideology” based on the contents of the home he shared with his mother in Maidenhead, Berkshire. Judge Peter Lodder QC dismissed free speech or free thought concerns with a truly Orwellian statement: “I do not sentence you for your political views, but the extremity of those views informs the assessment of dangerousness.”

I hate to lose an ally like the UK, but these leftists govs can get bent. Good luck in Ukraine yall.
 
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Orangeburst said:
So Ukraine is responsible for X cyber attack?
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www.zdnet.com

X outages reportedly caused by massive cyberattack

Dark Storm Team, a hacking group, claims responsibility for the intermittent outages that took down X on Monday.
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IP addys in Ukraine but why would an antisemitic hacker group be in Ukraine?

Based on a report by security firm Orange Cyberdefense, Dark Storm Team, which first appeared around September 2023, specializes in remote access, data infiltration, ransomware, and DDoS attacks. The group is seen as heavily pro-Palestinian and targets state organizations that support Israel. So far, Dark Storm Team has focused its attacks on key business sectors, mainly in Israel and NATO member countries.
 
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volfanhill said:
So you ignore history.
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I saw an interview with the former UK Defense Minister who held that title during Trumps first term. He has no admiration of Trump, and admits such, but said Putin would not of invaded if Trump was in office.

Granted just one man opinion, but a prominent one.
 
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Elon Musk. I wonder if he really understands how badly his new-found politics is going to hurt his companies.

What. A. Dick.

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VAVol85 said:
After spending 3 years capturing a few ethnically Russian provinces in eastern Ukraine, it’s hard to believe that Putin would conclude that invading Poland should be his next move.
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they weren't ethnically Russian. Russians weren't a majority in any of them. the Russians weren't even the single largest ethnic group in any of them. Ukrainians were always the largest ethnic group. its how/why the borders were originally drawn the way they are.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I saw an interview with the former UK Defense Minister who held that title during Trumps first term. He has no admiration of Trump, and admits such, but said Putin would not of invaded if Trump was in office.

Granted just one man opinion, but a prominent one.
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Russia occupied Crimea, and parts of Luhansk, and Donetsk the entirety of Trump's first term.

Republicans in the House even chastised him for trying to remove obama-era sanctions because Russia was still occupying Ukrainian lands.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Russia occupied Crimea, and parts of Luhansk, and Donetsk the entirety of Trump's first term.

Republicans in the House even chastised him for trying to remove obama-era sanctions because Russia was still occupying Ukrainian lands.
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"would not have invaded"

is not

"would not have continued to occupy land they already held"

Initial invasion was under Obama with plenty of fighting.
during Trump's reign, there were attempts at ceasefires with the violence toning down, but never going away.
During Biden's reign, Putin ramped up the violence.

yall can push the Putin puppet argument all yall want, the facts dont uphold the stance. Putin was far more violent and expansionary under Democrat watch, than under Trump.
 
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LouderVol said:
"would not have invaded"

is not

"would not have continued to occupy land they already held"

Initial invasion was under Obama with plenty of fighting.
during Trump's reign, there were attempts at ceasefires with the violence toning down, but never going away.
During Biden's reign, Putin ramped up the violence.

yall can push the Putin puppet argument all yall want, the facts dont uphold the stance. Putin was far more violent and expansionary under Democrat watch, than under Trump.
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There is zero evidence that who was the US president in 2014, determined whether or not Putin was going to capitalize on the instability in Ukraine and invade Crimea.

Doubly so since Putin continued the occupation of Crimea and continued invasion of eastern Ukraine, the entirety of Trump's first term.

Allowing the EU to take the lead then is why the response was as tepid as it was, with Merkel and Sarkozy caring more about cheap gas and keeping Putin happy, than they did upholding Ukraine's sovereignty.

If you had any intellectual honesty when it comes to Ukraine you'd admit what st Russia's 2008 invasion of a Georgia going unpunished, was the precursor to Putin invading Ukraine with impunity. Bush being in office was zero deterrent then.

In the end it was Biden that made any significant effort to hold Putin accountable, even if it was too little too late.
 
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People really like to try and revise history. The first invasion was under Obama, during this time the Biden family was actively involved in the Ukraine. During the time of Obama, Biden was also in the process of blackmailing the Ukrainian government which is/was against federal law and he admitted to the crime. The second invasion was post comments again of the Ukraine joining NATO which Jeffery Sachs has spoken about trying to stop the SoS under Biden. If Biden was attempting to keep Putin in check, well he apparently did a horrible job because the first time cost the Ukraine Crimea, and the second time might cost them everything.

 
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There is zero evidence that who was the US president in 2014, determined whether or not Putin was going to capitalize on the instability in Ukraine and invade Crimea.

Doubly so since Putin continued the occupation of Crimea and continued invasion of eastern Ukraine, the entirety of Trump's first term.

Allowing the EU to take the lead then is why the response was as tepid as it was, with Merkel and Sarkozy caring more about cheap gas and keeping Putin happy, than they did upholding Ukraine's sovereignty.

If you had any intellectual honesty when it comes to Ukraine you'd admit what st Russia's 2008 invasion of a Georgia going unpunished, was the precursor to Putin invading Ukraine with impunity. Bush being in office was zero deterrent then.

In the end it was Biden that made any significant effort to hold Putin accountable, even if it was too little too late.
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"After the election I will have more flexibility" ring a bell? or how about "The 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back". how about a secretary of state giving them a reset button? The same secretary of state who got paid by Russians, her husband got paid by Russians, and who used Russians to go after a political enemy. you also have the problem of the actual timelines, its a similar problem the Russian crowd has.

there is plenty of evidence, you just don't want to admit it. especially when its been long upheld that Trump is a Putin stooge with less.

I have no problem with Bush being thrown into the matter. but that wasn't the original discussion.
 
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British Blasphemy? UK Government Moves Toward New Definition of “Islamophobia” for Speech Regulation

Recently, after the speech of Vice President J.D. Vance in Munich, various European leaders went public to express their shock and disbelief that they would be accused of rolling back on free speec…
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A man was convicted for sending a tweet while drunk referring to dead soldiers. Another was arrested for an anti-police t-shirt. Another was arrested for calling the Irish boyfriend of his ex-girlfriend a “leprechaun.” Yet another was arrested for singing “Kung Fu Fighting.” A teenager was arrested for protesting outside of a Scientology center with a sign calling the religion a “cult.”Last year, Nicholas Brock, 52, was convicted of a thought crime in Maidenhead, Berkshire. The neo-Nazi was given a four-year sentence for what the court called his “toxic ideology” based on the contents of the home he shared with his mother in Maidenhead, Berkshire. Judge Peter Lodder QC dismissed free speech or free thought concerns with a truly Orwellian statement: “I do not sentence you for your political views, but the extremity of those views informs the assessment of dangerousness.”

I hate to lose an ally like the UK, but these leftists govs can get bent. Good luck in Ukraine yall.
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Agree. With the EU assault on free speech, I would distance myself greatly from that kind of “democracy”.
 
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LouderVol said:
"After the election I will have more flexibility" ring a bell? or how about "The 1980s called and they want their foreign policy back". how about a secretary of state giving them a reset button? The same secretary of state who got paid by Russians, her husband got paid by Russians, and who used Russians to go after a political enemy. you also have the problem of the actual timelines, its a similar problem the Russian crowd has.

there is plenty of evidence, you just don't want to admit it. especially when its been long upheld that Trump is a Putin stooge with less.

I have no problem with Bush being thrown into the matter. but that wasn't the original discussion.
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So tell me, what exactly do you believe "After the election I will have more flexibility" being said to Medvedev in 2012 about a missile shield in Europe, has to do with Putin deciding to invade Ukraine in 2014?

In 2012, Yanukovych was still pretending to move towards closer ties with the EU, and the Maidan Revolution hadn't even occurred yet, Putin believed he was still on track for turning Ukraine into another Belarus.

Obama bears his portion of responsibility for what's going on now in Ukraine, as he should have leveled crippling sanctions against Russia then, but trying to pin it on him is nonsensical at best. Bush, Merkel, Schroeder, Sarkozy, Obama, Biden, and Trump all have contributed to this clusterf*ck, along with a significant portion of the GOP as a whole.
 
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So tell me, what exactly do you believe "After the election I will have more flexibility" being said to Medvedev in 2012 about a missile shield in Europe, has to do with Putin deciding to invade Ukraine in 2014?

In 2012, Yanukovych was still pretending to move towards closer ties with the EU, and the Maidan Revolution hadn't even occurred yet, Putin believed he was still on track for turning Ukraine into another Belarus.

Obama bears his portion of responsibility for what's going on now in Ukraine, as he should have leveled crippling sanctions against Russia then, but trying to pin it on him is nonsensical at best. Bush, Merkel, Schroeder, Sarkozy, Obama, Biden, and Trump all have contributed to this clusterf*ck, along with a significant portion of the GOP as a whole.
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to the first, its about the weakness you profess to be against when it comes to dealing with Russia. you have used the argument that a stronger response would have limited Putin's plans.

why show/have "flexibility". he should have either done something, or not, but never have sold it as being willing to work with the Russians. that timid response was not something Putin would to respond too in a positive manner.

a strong stance from the US president supporting the militarization of Europe, sends a much different message than a president willing to consider Russia's input about the possibility of a new defense system in Europe.

like it or not Trump is pushing for that strong militarization. he has just taken the reverse psychology approach to it, or the more childish "i bet you won't" mocking to achieve it. end result however is a stronger Europe more ready to deal with Putin vs what a more timid response would have done.

and sure Trump shares some of the blame, but I would put him nearer the bottom of that list than the top.
 
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to the first, its about the weakness you profess to be against when it comes to dealing with Russia. you have used the argument that a stronger response would have limited Putin's plans.

why show/have "flexibility". he should have either done something, or not, but never have sold it as being willing to work with the Russians. that timid response was not something Putin would to respond too in a positive manner.

a strong stance from the US president supporting the militarization of Europe, sends a much different message than a president willing to consider Russia's input about the possibility of a new defense system in Europe.

like it or not Trump is pushing for that strong militarization. he has just taken the reverse psychology approach to it, or the more childish "i bet you won't" mocking to achieve it. end result however is a stronger Europe more ready to deal with Putin vs what a more timid response would have done.

and sure Trump shares some of the blame, but I would put him nearer the bottom of that list than the top.
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Like I said Obama bears his fair share of not responding with enough force, but there's zero indication that his "weakness" had any bearing on Putin deciding to invade Ukraine in the first place. Putin made no move to cease Russian occupation during Trump's term, in fact he increased the number of Russian military personnel on Ukrainian soil, and finally admitted openly that it was Russian soldiers and not "Crimean defense forces" that took over Crimea, and in spite of that Trump wanted to reduce sanctions on Russia.

Like Bush, Trump believes he has a special relationship with Putin, and the special relationship that both felt that they had with him, did nothing to stop him from invading and occupying Georgia and Ukraine.
 
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