War in Ukraine

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Ashevolle said:
Peace talks that no one would agree to from Ukraine. If those terms sounded good to you, you'd be a horrible leader.

"Let Russia keep everything they stole from you AND give us your mineral rights. In exchange, we'll ask Russia to leave you alone (but no promises kk)...." ****ing brilliant.
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Sounds like that is in the best interest for the US. They need us, we don’t need them. Maybe you should move to Ukraine?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Anyone seen this?

nypost.com

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn).
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Not the first time the Democrats have tried to undermine President Trump's foreign policy.

Former US Secretary of State Kerry under fire for ‘back-channel talks’ with Iran
 
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Ashevolle said:
Peace talks that no one would agree to from Ukraine. If those terms sounded good to you, you'd be a horrible leader.

"Let Russia keep everything they stole from you AND give us your mineral rights. In exchange, we'll ask Russia to leave you alone (but no promises kk)...." ****ing brilliant.
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Sounds like the deal was agreed to and Zelensky wanted to sign it here. If it was so bad why did they go so far with it? Clearly enough people in Ukraine agreed to it since it passed along as far as it did.

Some many shallow narratives about the situation.
 
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TheDirector said:
Oops! This is similar to the Democrats and MSM teaming up to use the exact same wording for whatever nonsense they are pushing to regularly resist President Trump. "Systemic Racism" "Threat to Democracy" "Fascist" etc... It's like robots regurgitating the same exact phrases and hoping people won't notice.

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What happened to “pay your fair share”? Guess that doesn’t apply to European nations.
 
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volfanhill said:
It is something I wonder about, regarding those posters who are acting like this is such a huge deal, but didn't say peep about Obama admin doing nothing when Russia invaded Ukraine during his admin.

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2016 completely poisoned the well politically in this country. People on both sides have abandoned their principles and base everything on whether Trump supports it or not.
 
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volinbham said:
Sounds like the deal was agreed to and Zelensky wanted to sign it here. If it was so bad why did they go so far with it? Clearly enough people in Ukraine agreed to it since it passed along as far as it did.

Some many shallow narratives about the situation.
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Now that makes sense
Dems sabotaged the deal
Not the BS the Dems are projecting
Salinsky rules again
 
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volfanhill said:
It is something I wonder about, regarding those posters who are acting like this is such a huge deal, but didn't say peep about Obama admin doing nothing when Russia invaded Ukraine during his admin.

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100% the worm turned when Putin could he used to smear Donald Trump. Look at the foreign policy positions of the Obama administration.

Then look at the change of heart in 2017. It’s all show.
 
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Now that makes sense
Dems sabotaged the deal
Not the BS the Dems are projecting
Salinsky rules again
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I don't know if they sabotaged it or Zelensky never planned to agree eventhough he indicated he would - either way it's clear Ukraine was strongly signaling they were on board and then they or he weren't/wasn't.

I've seen nothing to indicate we changed the terms (maybe I missed it).

Maybe an honest gamble by Z?

I'm encouraged to see that this is forcing Europe to fish or cut bait on the issue.

Craziest thing I've ever seen in diplomacy and the partisan/press reaction is a stupid as any one could ever expect. Would be funny if so many people weren't dying.
 
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volinbham said:
I don't know if they sabotaged it or Zelensky never planned to agree eventhough he indicated he would - either way it's clear Ukraine was strongly signaling they were on board and then they or he weren't/wasn't.

I've seen nothing to indicate we changed the terms (maybe I missed it).

Maybe an honest gamble by Z?

I'm encouraged to see that this is forcing Europe to fish or cut bait on the issue.

Craziest thing I've ever seen in diplomacy and the partisan/press reaction is a stupid as any one could ever expect. Would be funny if so many people weren't dying.
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I guess JD said it best
Time for the EU to grow up
 
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Boston Vol said:
2016 completely poisoned the well politically in this country. People on both sides have abandoned their principles and base everything on whether Trump supports it or not.
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Fear and anger have always been the most effective tools of mass manipulation. Trump is and expert at making people despise him. He's also good about making the other folks despise his opponents.
 
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Boston Vol said:
2016 completely poisoned the well politically in this country. People on both sides have abandoned their principles and base everything on whether Trump supports it or not.
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The country had the audacity to elect a non-white man, twice. Everything since then has been a potential opportunity to show how a famous white man (no matter how many women accused him of assault or children said he walked in on them naked) is always superior to the alternative
 
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NochNoch said:
The country had the audacity to elect a non-white man, twice. Everything since then has been a potential opportunity to show how a famous white man (no matter how many women accused him of assault or children said he walked in on them naked) is always superior to the alternative
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Mrs. Biden? Your husband sniffs his own relatives
 
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