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luthervol said:
Most every poster who supports trump now has a more positive view of Putin and less positive view of Zelensky than they did 6 months ago.
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Never had a positive view of both, so I can't have a less positive view of Zelenskyy. I don't have a more positive (or an "at all") positive view of Putin.

Now, tell me, what part of Ukraine cancelling elections, declaring martial law, then passing a conscription law and stuffing their men into trucks to go fight on the front lines make you have a more positive view of Zelenskyy than you did 6 months ago?
 
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luthervol said:
Seriously?
Here's a question for all trump supporters.

You have 100 points to assign between Putin and Zelensky based on how responsible they are for the current conflict, how do you divided the points?
I'll go first:
Putin - 95
Zelensky - 5
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Starting it? Putin - 100.

It not getting closer to ending this past weekend? Zelenskyy - 100.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm just curious if anyone would admit to having changed their opinions at least a little over the past year.

I thought the question would possibly lead the conversation in that direction.
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It's your claim (positions changed). Maybe you can highlight the posters of whom you speak?
 
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McDad said:
It's your claim (positions changed). Maybe you can highlight the posters of whom you speak?
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Then he would need to tie the changes of opinions to Trump, as opposed to something like having become better informed against a potential reality. So, again, unless he has some sort of definitive answer, and an ability to map the evolution of each persons' opinion, he's really just back to making **** up in an endless Trump-bashing tantrum.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Never had a positive view of both, so I can't have a less positive view of Zelenskyy. I don't have a more positive (or an "at all") positive view of Putin.

Now, tell me, what part of Ukraine cancelling elections, declaring martial law, then passing a conscription law and stuffing their men into trucks to go fight on the front lines make you have a more positive view of Zelenskyy than you did 6 months ago?
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I don't have a more positive view of Zelensky than I did 6 months ago.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There's my point. You are trying to make people feel guilty for having an opinion that differs from an "everything is relative; there is no true truth" kind of guy's opinion. They probably realize how absolutely idiotic the exercise is, even if you don't.

Again: Tell us the objectively true answer, or all you're doing is begging people to defend your ridiculous claims/assertions/post.
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Why would someone feel guilty about changing their opinion?
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Then why should anyone else?
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One reason may be that the situation may not be what Luther believes, and those who changed opinion did so because they became better informed against "reality". Again, Luther needs to show that Trump is tempting people to a lie for his accusations to stand.
 
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McDad said:
It's your claim (positions changed). Maybe you can highlight the posters of whom you speak?
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My hypothesis is that anyone who is a strong trump supporter and would give his first 2 months in office high marks, would also more than likely be someone who has changed their opinion of Zelensky v Putin.
Hard, if not impossible, to quantify; but just reading the responses to the Oval Office meeting provided enough anecdotal evidence for me to feel confident in the hypothesis.
 
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luthervol said:
My hypothesis is that anyone who is a strong trump supporter and would give his first 2 months in office high marks, would also more than likely be someone who has changed their opinion of Zelensky v trump.
Hard, if not impossible, to quantify; but just reading the responses to the Oval Office meeting provided enough anecdotal evidence for me to feel confident in the hypothesis.
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Why should we care about your confidence level?
 
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luthervol said:
My hypothesis is that anyone who is a strong trump supporter and would give his first 2 months in office high marks, would also more than likely be someone who has changed their opinion of Zelensky v Putin.
Hard, if not impossible, to quantify; but just reading the responses to the Oval Office meeting provided enough anecdotal evidence for me to feel confident in the hypothesis.
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That sound about right for you.
 
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luthervol said:
I couldn't care less if you care or not.
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Apparently you do.

You posted the poll, then when called on it, posited that you have no idea why people wouldn't participate:

luthervol said:
I'm not sure why anyone would be reluctant to offer their opinion.
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Then admitted that the poll was little more than an attempt to irrationally bolster a hypothesis about things that you have no objective access to.

So, it looks like you care greatly about it and wonder why few people considered it worth participating in.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Apparently you do.

You posted the poll, then when called on it, posited that you have no idea why people wouldn't participate:



Then admitted that the poll was little more than an attempt to irrationally bolster a hypothesis about things that you have no objective access to.

So, it looks like you care greatly about it and wonder why few people considered it worth participating in.
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But the opinion-based anecdotal evidence is overwhelming.
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luthervol said:
My hypothesis is that anyone who is a strong trump supporter and would give his first 2 months in office high marks, would also more than likely be someone who has changed their opinion of Zelensky v Putin.
Hard, if not impossible, to quantify; but just reading the responses to the Oval Office meeting provided enough anecdotal evidence for me to feel confident in the hypothesis.
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The most vocal Trump supporters have also been the most anti Ukraine supporters, Z shat talking, and claiming mass fraud.
 
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TheDirector said:
You still haven't named an alternative plan that Democrats or European leaders have come up with To end the war? Also you obviously have no idea how to negotiate with an enemy. Trump has openly stated that if he said very mean things about Putin then asked him to negotiate peace it would be impossible. It amazes me how ignorant Democrats are to this strategy. Biden tried the fake tough guy act and it got us no closer to ending the war and has led to mass death and massive amounts of American taxpayer money being spent.
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It’s called the “Art of the Deal” but Luther proves time and time again he is lost in business acumen.
 
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