College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

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MoCo_Vol said:
For where the Zags are typically ranked I'd say anything less than an Elite Eight is an early exit though. Maybe others don't agree on that.

He's an elite coach. But 24 seasons coaching with just 12 Sweet Sixteen appearances...means about half of his teams got bounced early in the tournament right? Which is what I said...
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Mike Krzyzewski coached 47 seasons and only made the Sweet Sixteen 26 times (55%), so he's only marginally better than Few.
 
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BallerVolFan said:
This is not how the committee looks at it exactly. They’ll look at the Quads and yes we would have more Q1 wins but they’ll look at the TOTAL Q1/Q2 wins together. They do it every year and use it as a reason why they did this and not that. As well as the bad losses (if any) in Q3/Q4. But it’s not about what we think should happen or what the right way to look at it should be, it’s about the people on the committee and what they will actually do. And when you have 2 teams that you’re comparing that would be as close to equal as it can get, they’re not gonna put 3 SEC teams on the 1-line especially over a Big 12 Champ that only lost 1 conference game. Like it or not, we can argue that all day long. Our fight is no longer with Houston unless they were to sleep walk in one of their games. It’s now with Florida and Bama (given that Houston wins out). Because I can almost guarantee you that committee has Houston ahead of Tennessee right this second.
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I will bet any amount of money Houston has not passed us on the Committee's ranking. For Christ's sake they were #8 and we were #5 ten days ago, and nobody has lost since then. You people are out of your minds. #BVS
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Houston is now 24-4 and is 8-4 in Quad 1 games, they have 3 games left 2 of which will be Quad 1 games.

Vols are sitting at 22-5 and are 9-5 in Quad 1 games, we have 4 games left and 2 of them are Quad 1 games.

So we can finish 26-5 and 11-5 in Quad 1 wins, Houston can finish 27-4 and 10-4 in Quad 1 wins...maybe it's BVS, but I don't know that I'd trust us to get a 1 seed over them in that situation.

We just have to win out, if we do that it'll eliminate Alabama from the equation and it'll come down to us, Houston and Florida for the last 2 #1 seeds. Gators have 4 Quad 1 games left and 3 losses...if they lose a 4th we likely get the 1 seed over them.

Gators are 24-3 right now and 5-3 in Quad 1 wins, so if they lose at least 1 game they'll finish 27-4 and 8-4 in Quad 1 which likely won't be enough to finish with a higher seed than Vols with 11 quad 1 wins or Houston with 10.

At this point even though they have the better overall record, Florida has the smallest margin of error for the 1 seed. I really hope they go 2-2 to end the stretch, but even then I think we have to finish 4-0.
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Selection Committee seed reveal on Feb. 15:

Vols 20-5, 8-5 in Quad 1 games. Houston 21-4, 6-4 in Quad 1 games. Vols ranked #5. Houston ranked #8

Since then:

Vols 2-0, 1-0 in Quad 1 games. Houston 3-0, 2-0 in Quad 1 games. Vols still ahead of Houston.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
Two quick points:

1. If you need a couple beers to be calm enough to drive, you’ve got some really serious issues and probably need some actual medication and also shouldn’t have a license.

2. A couple of drinks won’t get you anywhere near the legal limit unless you’re a child (and a scrawny one at that).

3. (I know I said a couple, but I thought of one more.) A lot more people speed than are drinking and driving. It’s also a dangerous and selfish activity, but it’s not nearly as dangerous on a per instance basis as driving while intoxicated. The whataboutthat defense just doesn’t hold water.
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1). Lots of people are medicated and are allowed to drive.

2). People are affected differently. 1 or 2 drinks definitely can get some near the legal limit.

3). Over 10k are killed annually due to speeding, but it’s not a problem?
 
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VolCalls said:
Selection Committee seed reveal on Feb. 15:

Vols 20-5, 8-5 in Quad 1 games. Houston 21-4, 6-4 in Quad 1 games. Vols ranked #5. Houston ranked #8

Since then:

Vols 2-0, 1-0 in Quad 1 games. Houston 3-0, 2-0 in Quad 1 games. Vols still ahead of Houston.
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Means nothing though, as pointed out the selection committee can change things on selection Sunday if they want. It's all pretty subjective.

Joe Lundardi has Bama as a 1 seed still and they just went 1-2. Good we're 5 though, rather be sitting there than 8, but still think we have to finish 4-0 to have a legit shot at a 1 seed.
 
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VolCalls said:
Mike Krzyzewski coached 47 seasons and only made the Sweet Sixteen 26 times (55%), so he's only marginally better than Few.
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Didn't realize a user with "Vol" in their name would be this hard up for Mark Few....Coach K has 5 national championships, Few has 0.

Big jumps in logic to try and win arguments that aren't even being made is kind of dumb. Few has made 24 NCAA tournaments and is 43-24 with 2 final fours, he's absolutely a great coach. But 11 of those 24 appearances he only won 2 games and was bounced early. That's a true statement regardless of trying to compare him to Coach K, arguably the greatest college basketball coach of all time.

So in 45.8% of his NCAA tournaments Mark Few/Gonzaga had early exits...

Rick Barnes at TN has made 6 NCAA tournaments and in 3 of them reached the Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight. But he's a "choke artist" and can't win in March... Does that extra 3.2% success rate mean Mark Few really is elite, I mean you said yourself 67 teams get bounced every year...
 
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Kas232323 said:
Come on. You cannot be serious. Mark Few took a nothing program to essentially a blue blood - other than Dan Monson’s one tournament run to the elite 8. Few has always scheduled tough OOC opponents every year. And his tourney record is amazing. You’re a good dude. Please tell me you are joking.
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You can absolutely not even enter the conversation for being a blue blood unitil you have won at least a National Championship.
Like us and and a lot of schools on the come up, they are new blood, not a blue blood.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Funny, last night I was getting scolded for suggesting Houston has the inside track on a 1-seed. Guess my opinion wasn’t so crazy after all 🤣
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History has to be factored into it. The selection committee never sticks to the same principle and metrics to decide who is above who. They will use the same Resume and Predictive metrics from the team sheets to evaluate teams but they can and will use certain metrics to justify their reasonings even though it may not make sense when other metrics go against their reasonings. It’s not necessarily about what should happen but what we should expect the committee to actually do. I would definitely not be shocked if Houston is a lock for a 1-seed if they win out.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Didn't realize a user with "Vol" in their name would be this hard up for Mark Few....Coach K has 5 national championships, Few has 0.

Big jumps in logic to try and win arguments that aren't even being made is kind of dumb. Few has made 24 NCAA tournaments and is 43-24 with 2 final fours, he's absolutely a great coach. But 11 of those 24 appearances he only won 2 games and was bounced early. That's a true statement regardless of trying to compare him to Coach K, arguably the greatest college basketball coach of all time.

So in 45.8% of his NCAA tournaments Mark Few/Gonzaga had early exits...

Rick Barnes at TN has made 6 NCAA tournaments and in 3 of them reached the Sweet Sixteen or Elite Eight. But he's a "choke artist" and can't win in March... Does that extra 3.2% success rate mean Mark Few really is elite, I mean you said yourself 67 teams get bounced every year...
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No argument here. Just a spirited discussion.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Means nothing though, as pointed out the selection committee can change things on selection Sunday if they want. It's all pretty subjective.

Joe Lundardi has Bama as a 1 seed still and they just went 1-2. Good we're 5 though, rather be sitting there than 8, but still think we have to finish 4-0 to have a legit shot at a 1 seed.
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If both Tennessee and Houston win out in the regular season the only rational excuse the Committee has for moving Houston ahead of us on Selection Sunday would be if we lost our first game in the SECT and they win the Big 12 Tournament. We were a full three places ahead of them last week on the S-Curve and have kept winning since then. Plus, we play in the nation's best conference. The precedent has been set by having us three spots ahead of them - if both teams win out and Houston jumps us the Committee Chair will have significant explaining to do when put in front of the CBS cameras after the bracket is revealed.
 
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VolCalls said:
No argument here. Just a spirited discussion.
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Yeah, Mark Few is a great coach end of the day. But I also think Gonzaga gets overrated a lot because they usually dominate the WCC so it is funny to see them get a high preseason ranking and now be unranked.
 
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VolCalls said:
If both Tennessee and Houston win out in the regular season the only rational excuse the Committee has for moving Houston ahead of us on Selection Sunday would be if we lost our first game in the SECT and they win the Big 12 Tournament. We were a full three places ahead of them last week on the S-Curve and have kept winning since then. Plus, we play in the nation's best conference. The precedent has been set by having us three spots ahead of them - if both teams win out and Houston jumps us the Committee Chair will have significant explaining to do when put in front of the CBS cameras after the bracket is revealed.
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Yeah true...if the argument becomes Houston vs Vols and both teams have won out then I totally see the case for us getting in. My biggest worry is will the committee decide 3 SEC teams is too many for the 1 seeds and then someone is replaced by Houston for that reason? Because then the discuss is Florida OR Tennessee more than us or Houston.

So really I think Houston is in a better position than the Vols to get a 1 seed at this point. They're going to win their regular season (might have actually wrapped that up last night) and they now have 3 games left and none of them are currently ranked.
 
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Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

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Yeah since the 15th reveal Houston has won at Arizona beat Iowa State and won at Texas Tech. All 3 of those were top 15 AP teams when they played

We've only beaten Vandy and at A&M since the reveal, but I think if we win out the wins over Bama at Ole Miss should be enough to put us back up for a 1 seed (since we'd be beating Bama a current 1 seed)
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Yeah true...if the argument becomes Houston vs Vols and both teams have won out then I totally see the case for us getting in. My biggest worry is will the committee decide 3 SEC teams is too many for the 1 seeds and then someone is replaced by Houston for that reason? Because then the discuss is Florida OR Tennessee more than us or Houston.

So really I think Houston is in a better position than the Vols to get a 1 seed at this point. They're going to win their regular season (might have actually wrapped that up last night) and they now have 3 games left and none of them are currently ranked.
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We just view it differently. The committee has set a precedent by having three #1 seeds from a single conference before, as they've always relied on the numbers to warrant who is ranked 1-4 on the S-Curve. Relying on the numbers has always given them justification on who the #1 seeds are, regardless of league affiliation. Us having the 2nd highest number of Quad One wins in the country, playing in the best conference, and having a higher SOS is what made them rank us three spots ahead of Houston to begin with. Winning our last four will keep us there. I don't think there's any way Houston passes us unless we lose.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

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Lunardi lives in the moment to get clicks. The more people react to his musings, the better his following. Not unlike the way fans react: Get a big win, and nobody can beat us. Lose a game, and we might as well forfeit the rest of the season. He's also sloppy with his updates - we can't be in the South with Auburn because the first four teams from a conference have to be placed in different regions.

We win tonight and beat Alabama on Saturday and we'll be right back above Houston on Lunardi's one-pager. Again, which is irrelevant because it's not the Selection Committee's S-Curve. The only fact we have is that we were three spots above Houston on the initial reveal. Anyone assuming Houston is now ahead of us on that same list, after we've kept winning, is only speculating. #BVS
 
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VolCalls said:
Lunardi lives in the moment to get clicks. The more people react to his musings, the better his following. Not unlike the way fans react: Get a big win, and nobody can beat us. Lose a game, and we might as well forfeit the rest of the season.

We win tonight and beat Alabama on Saturday and we'll be right back above Houston on Lunardi's one-pager. Again, which is irrelevant because it's not the Selection Committee's S-Curve. The only fact we have is that we were three spots above Houston on the initial reveal. Anyone assuming Houston is now ahead of us on that same list, after we've kept winning, is only speculating. #BVS
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And isn't that what you're doing, as well?
 
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VolCalls said:
Nope, I'm using what was actually on the Committee's seed reveal list. We're ahead of Houston on the list that counts and nobody outside of those on the committee can provide factual information to say we aren't.
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Oh, that was a rhetorical question. It's absolutely an assumption to believe we are still ahead of Houston on a list that was created two weeks ago. You have no more idea that Tennessee is still ahead of Houston than those who believe the opposite. You are, in fact, speculating. You may be right in the end, they may be right in the end, it may not matter in the end. But unless any of us are on the selection committee, anyone making a claim is speculating.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Just pointing out that Lunardi, the mouthpiece for the Selection Committee, who had us as #5 on the seed list for the last 2 weeks has now jumped Houston above us and we’ve fallen to #6. So, everyone saying “no way Houston jumps us if we win out” should re-evaluate that.

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Absolutely. I could see them sliding Houston in there if you give them a reason simply because they don’t want to have 3 SEC teams out of 4 as #1 seeds. I can definitely see it. Still lots of ball to play though.
 
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