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VOLS INC. said:
Fair

And not to sabotage the exchange. But I do want to point out what you just stated is one of the main reasons Kamala lost. In 2019, She wasn’t just a Democrat. She was a far-left, liberal Democrat with a progressive ideology. Who was actually LEFT of Bernie Sanders. And the media tried to sell her as a moderate centrist middle of road candidate for President 5 years later. SHOCKED most people didn’t buy it.

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Fox News has tried to sell Tulsi Gabbard as a Republican ..... but Republicans do buy that? That's not very consistent.

.... and I wouldn't say that Kamala Harris was ever left of Bernie Sanders. I don't even think that's possible. Bernie Sanders even calls himself a "democratic socialist." How do you get any further to the left than that?

I would not have voted for Tulsi Gabbard in 2016, because I thought she was too much of a left-wing radical herself, and therefore, not electable. It is insane how much she has flip-flopped. I have to believe that her physical attractiveness has a lot to do with how forgiving Republicans are of her policies from the past, which really weren't that long ago .... 9-10 years or so.

Tulsi Gabbard is an example of the "halo effect" at work. That is the tendency of a favorable impression made in one area (in Tulsi Gabbard's case, her physical appearance), to influence opinions in unrelated areas (such as the integrity and consistency *or lack thereof* of her positions on a wide range of economic policies and political issues).
 
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volfanhill said:
A boss? Pro green new deal. Anti nuclear power. Co-sponsered legislation to outlaw owning AR type weapons. Pro medicare for all. Pro free college. Was anti patriot act. Now for it. Knew she wouldn't get confirmed if she didn't accept the patriot act. No backbone. She's a POS.
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Several of her views have obviously changed over the years, part of maturity and likely seeing what a clown-show her former party has become. Like Trump, she's far from the old school big-spending, war-mongering republican party of olde. And that's great with me. Hell, even Bill Clinton would probably be a R nominee if he ran at the current time. This new group is more of a Centrist crew with a focus on real problems facing the country and the general population.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Fox News has tried to sell Tulsi Gabbard as a Republican ..... but Republicans do buy that? That's not very consistent.

.... and I wouldn't say that Kamala Harris was ever left of Bernie Sanders. I don't even think that's possible. Bernie Sanders even calls himself a "democratic socialist." How do you get any further to the left than that?

I would not have voted for Tulsi Gabbard in 2016, because I thought she was too much of a left-wing radical herself, and therefore, not electable. It is insane how much she has flip-flopped. I have to believe that her physical attractiveness has a lot to do with how forgiving Republicans are of her policies from the past, which really weren't that long ago .... 9-10 years or so.

Tulsi Gabbard is an example of the "halo effect" at work. That is the tendency of a favorable impression made in one area (in Tulsi Gabbard's case, her physical appearance), to influence opinions in unrelated areas (such as the integrity and consistency *or lack thereof* of her positions on a wide range of economic policies and political issues).
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Kamala was rated left of Bernie by Govtrack and then she was asked about it in an interview. Point remains, Kamala is and was a San Francisco progressive and people weren’t buying her “Moderate Makeover”.

And as far as Tulsi, I’m happy Trump is getting his cabinet selections. That’s about as far as I care.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Several of her views have obviously changed over the years, part of maturity and likely seeing what a clown-show her former party has become. Like Trump, she's far from the old school big-spending, war-mongering republican party of olde. And that's great with me. Hell, even Bill Clinton would probably be a R nominee if he ran at the current time. This new group is more of a Centrist crew with a focus on real problems facing the country and the general population.
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Much more likely :

She saw a more viable path to political relevance (including an on-air job at Fox News, and a future cabinet position) by changing her party affiliation and doing some acrobatic flip-flopping on her core principles.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Kamala was rated left of Bernie by Govtrack and then she was asked about it in an interview. Point remains, Kamala is and was a San Francisco progressive and people weren’t buying her “Moderate Makeover”.

And as far as Tulsi, I’m happy Trump is getting his cabinet selections. That’s about as far as I care.
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Who the hell is that .... and why do they matter? LOL. I guess it depends on which issues you are factoring most heavily. It could probably go either way.

My point also remains .... It is incredible how much she has flip-flopped in such a relatively short period of time. We are only going back 9-10 years when she really was a very liberal Democrat with a progressive ideology. But she simply matured?

Yeah .... Right.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Who the hell is that .... and why do they matter? LOL. I guess it depends on which issues you are factoring most heavily. It could probably go either way.

My point also remains .... It is incredible how much she has flip-flopped in such a relatively short period of time. We are only going back 9-10 years when she really was a very liberal Democrat with a progressive ideology. But she simply matured?

Yeah .... Right.
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You don’t like her because you are racist!! And sexist!!!

(If only Republicans could use that attack. We would win everything lol)

I have conservative friends that find her transformation sincere. But most say they don’t trust her. Again. I’m just gonna trust Trump on this. It’s his call. IF there is a selection that could come back to bite him in the ass, it’s probably this one.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
You don’t like her because you are racist!! And sexist!!!

(If only Republicans could use that attack. We would win everything lol)

I have conservative friends that find her transformation sincere. But most say they don’t trust her. Again. I’m just gonna trust Trump on this. It’s his call. IF there is a selection that could come back to bite him in the ass, it’s probably this one.
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…and she can also be replaced if need be.
 
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Who wants to tell CNN he no longer has any intel and he is just a war mongering old man yelling at clouds?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Much more likely :

She saw a more viable path to political relevance (including an on-air job at Fox News, and a future cabinet position) by changing her party affiliation and doing some acrobatic flip-flopping on her core principles.
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Couldn’t be the party went too progressive and she stayed more of the same which aligned with Republicans. Decades ago not much separated the parties, so the core doesn’t require much flip flopping like you say. She also as a liberal wrecked Kamala, same principles then and now.
 
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Majors said:
Couldn’t be the party went too progressive and she stayed more of the same which aligned with Republicans. Decades ago not much separated the parties, so the core doesn’t require much flip flopping like you say. She also as a liberal wrecked Kamala, same principles then and now.
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That's ridiculous .... because she was far-left and progressive herself on most issues.

Trying to suggest that she didn't completely alter her ideology in effort to make herself a viable commodity for the right is either a bad case of denial or just pure tribalism. Tulsi Gabbard was left of most Democrats until 2020.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Yes, it is to you, because you are deranged and confused as to how the Dems lost the election.
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No, I'm just familiar with Tulsi Gabbard's history, and how she was a radical leftist herself .... and compromised her principles as a means of political expediency.

I understand how the Democrats lost .... and I know insincerity when I see it.

If anyone is deranged, it is a political tribalist, such as yourself.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Several of her views have obviously changed over the years, part of maturity and likely seeing what a clown-show her former party has become. Like Trump, she's far from the old school big-spending, war-mongering republican party of olde. And that's great with me. Hell, even Bill Clinton would probably be a R nominee if he ran at the current time. This new group is more of a Centrist crew with a focus on real problems facing the country and the general population.
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You might want to take a look at Trump's spending habits. Republicans of old preached fiscal conservatism and got us into fewer wars than Democrats.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That's ridiculous .... because she was far-left and progressive herself on most issues.
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Including the small issues of border security and Islamic extremism?

I would think you would love her stances on drug laws and the pharmaceutical industry, as well as the environment. She isn't "anti nuclear," but she has strong concerns about the handling of waste. She has fought for veterans, the disabled, and minorities. She protested the impeachment of DJT due to the implications such proceedings would have on our country...
 
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