DC Black Hawk vs Plane crash, Philly Crash. Malicious, or incompotence?

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jwells said:
Equity doesn't mean equality.

DEI isn't a set of standardized rules -- it's making reasonable accommodations. Y'all get so hung up on the D part that you don't realize the E and I aren't radical things. "Oh we're hiring black midgets with eye problems to be ATCs" (really a quote I heard from one of these guys) isn't DEI and isn't happening.
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equity is a harder target to hit than equality, which is why its the new thing. its making a lot of changes, that is difficult if not impossible to say is an actual improvement. ADA is a list of improvements that helps everybody, regardless of their status that puts a protected person on the same level as a normal person.

DEI is making changes that are hard to sell as improvements. Sometimes its a side step, single use bathroom stalls vs group restrooms. nicer for the individual, but takes up more space and costs significantly more money, usually cutting down on the number of actual toilets or whatever than end up being installed. Yay everyone is comfortable using the individual stalls, but now you have lines waiting. that is kinda a best case scenario in the built world. there is a ton that is just straight up bad. again removing stairs to only keep the ramp is the "equitable" solution, that is a straight downgrade.

what DEI "should" be is often far different than DEI put into practice. I deal with the practical, so what it "should" be doesn't go very far.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You "wondering" is not remotely evidence that DEI had anything to do with this.

And by your logic above, any time a government agency, at any level, and in any respect, made an error, you could blame DEI because it in theory could always be a distraction. By that logic, its the fault of having government in D.C. that is the cause because its often cold there and the traffic is terrible. Or, if they had a better Starbucks around the corner from the air traffic control tower, then maybe, just maybe, the guy would have been more alert.

Point is, your self-serving speculation that DEI had anything to do with this is not evidence, proof, or even supportive in general.
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Except that all these otherwise highly qualified applicants failed their final assessment in one category and were deinied employment: Biogrphical Assessment.
The crux of the lawsuit is that the FAA, under the Obama administration, dropped a skill-based system for hiring controllers and replaced it with a “biographical assessment” in an alleged bid to boost the number of minority job applicants.

Brigida, who is white, alleges he was discriminated against solely based on his race when his application was rejected, court papers state.
The would-be air traffic controller, who graduated from Arizona State University’s collegiate training initiative in 2013, was turned down for a job even though he had scored 100% on his training exam, the lawsuit alleges.

Do tell, if not a DEI hiring process, what other purpose does a Biographical Assesssment serve in lieu of skill-based qualifications. Typically FAA applicants would go through education & training and certification through programs at universities to get into the hiring pool.
 
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Just today was shooting an approach with parallel runways. We were landing on the right side, general aviation aircraft landing on the left. ATC called the traffic on downwind and we knew he was going to be turning base leg putting him 90 degrees off our left coming at us. Had him in sight and sure enough we got our TCAS TA (traffic advisory) at about 350 ft. I want to see the final report on this deal and see if the voice recorder picked up a TA in the RJ cockpit. TCAS will not give a command for corrective action below 1000 ft, but it’s possible they got the TA off the helo at 350.
 
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Vol737 said:
Just today was shooting an approach with parallel runways. We were landing on the right side, general aviation aircraft landing on the left. ATC called the traffic on downwind and we knew he was going to be turning base leg putting him 90 degrees off our left coming at us. Had him in sight and sure enough we got our TCAS TA (traffic advisory) at about 350 ft. I want to see the final report on this deal and see if the voice recorder picked up a TA in the RJ cockpit. TCAS will not give a command for corrective action below 1000 ft, but it’s possible they got the TA off the helo at 350.
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Vol737 said:
Just today was shooting an approach with parallel runways. We were landing on the right side, general aviation aircraft landing on the left. ATC called the traffic on downwind and we knew he was going to be turning base leg putting him 90 degrees off our left coming at us. Had him in sight and sure enough we got our TCAS TA (traffic advisory) at about 350 ft. I want to see the final report on this deal and see if the voice recorder picked up a TA in the RJ cockpit. TCAS will not give a command for corrective action below 1000 ft, but it’s possible they got the TA off the helo at 350.
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What do you think about the audio where the pilot is told to maintain altitude of 200-220ft ....but the crash takes place at 350ft or more? Also the last couple videos of the incident posted here that show she traveled forward maybe 500 yards or more and gained the altitude in order to strike the plane? Do you think it was intentional, or accidental? To me, it looks like it was intentional...but I want to believe that a young Army pilot wouldn't kill 60+ innocent people just because she didn't want to be here anymore. Are there duplicate controls on the right side of a Blackhawk like there are in airliners? Wouldnt the copilot also grab the controls and try to avoid the collision if they thought the pilot was gonna kill them?
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
What do you think about the audio where the pilot is told to maintain altitude of 200-220ft ....but the crash takes place at 350ft or more? Also the last couple videos of the incident posted here that show she traveled forward maybe 500 yards or more and gained the altitude in order to strike the plane? Do you think it was intentional, or accidental? To me, it looks like it was intentional...but I want to believe that a young Army pilot wouldn't kill 60+ innocent people just because she didn't want to be here anymore. Are there duplicate controls on the right side of a Blackhawk like there are in airliners? Wouldnt the copilot also grab the controls and try to avoid the collision if they thought the pilot was gonna kill them?
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No, I don’t think it was intentional at all. It was just a horrible accident and something got missed. May have been an incorrect altimeter setting that could have put the helicopter slightly higher than they thought they were. Could have just been a slight deviation in altitude while maneuvering and/or possibly seeing the wrong aircraft. Know way to know until the investigation plays out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, but not on the Trump scale. He definitely has a type. Bleach blonde, young, tv camera smile and experience. Brunnnettes are ok if they are good looking. Noem. Gabbard. No ugos.

Notice Sarah Huckabee Sanders has not shown up in any relevant way in Trump 2.0. And who is press secretary now?

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LouderVol said:
thats a mighty big stretch considering the exact quote is true.

your boss hires an incompetent person to be on your team, you are going to be more stressed. at least if you care about your job.
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Bro, I'm not the one stretching here. It can be technically true and still totally irrelevant and stupid.

In the context of this situation, it's incredibly stupid.

People died on my watch because people who I work with who were at home sleeping are incompetent.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Bro, I'm not the one stretching here. It can be technically true and still totally irrelevant and stupid.

In the context of this situation, it's incredibly stupid.

People died on my watch because people who I work with who were at home sleeping are incompetent.
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and that context was no where in that tweet you brought to the board.

the first part of the quote seems relevant too, and you know actually in the quote, considering the actual pilot was also a government employee that you are ignoring. the government didn't hire the best pilot, for whatever reason. which lead to a lot of deaths. it would certainly be something I would stress about if I was going to die because I couldn't trust the pilots and I had to fly with them.
 
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LouderVol said:
and that context was no where in that tweet you brought to the board.

the first part of the quote seems relevant too, and you know actually in the quote, considering the actual pilot was also a government employee that you are ignoring. the government didn't hire the best pilot, for whatever reason. which lead to a lot of deaths. it would certainly be something I would stress about if I was going to die because I couldn't trust the pilots and I had to fly with them.
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The context is the thread you're in
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah so was the PILOT, which applies to the quote and is the CONTEXT OF THIS THREAD TOO.
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I don't understand what you're saying

The pilot made a mistake by flying too high. The people in charge of everything didn't equip the Black Hawk with ADS-B technology, which could have prevented everything.

Trump blamed DEI*, and now Vance is trying to help Trump save face by saying people sometimes make mistakes because of the stress that other co-workers might be incompetent.

So that would mean the three white people on board and/or the people in charge of Black Hawk flight safety policies made mistakes because of the stress that comes with working with incompetent people, the implication being those stressful co-workers are minority hires.

So are you defending Trump and Vance?

*maybe this is the context you are missing?
 
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