Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LeBron's not versatile. He plays the same style. Point forward. 1-4 pick n roll. Shooters spacing the floor for his drives. You're confusing filling up the box score with versatility. LeBron is not a great post player. He's not good from the mid-range. He isn't a great ball handler with killer dribble moves. He's literally putting his head down and driving to the rim with power every play. In many ways he's the perimeter version of Shaq. Power and strength with little in skillful moves and grace.

Kevin Durant is a versatile player. He can do what LeBron does but he can also play like Kobe if he needs to. Or he can play like Ray Allen. He's great with the ball and without. He can drive. Shoot midrange. And the 3ball.
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PKT_VOL said:
LeBron's greatest strength isn't his statistics; it's his versatility. Neither Jordon's strength (his killer instinct) or LeBron's strength (his versatility via his athleticism) show up in box scores. It is just a matter of whether you value the former or the latter more.
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Lebron is simply a freak of nature. He would probably have been a HOF TE had he choose football over basketball.

His unique athleticism enabled him to play all five positions, defensively and offensively, at a level we have never seen. Also, his athleticism fueled his insane longevity.
 
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#126,102
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Not my fault that he mentioned a completely different series. And how can I get obliterated for something I never argued. What he did was create a strawman. Pulled up stats from the 2010 matchup between the Thunder and Lakers while I was talking about the 2012 matchup.
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As much hopping around as you do when trolling who knows what series you meant.

Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Harden was dominating Kobe Bryant's Lakers in a playoff series. It wasn't just potential. He was proving it. He just needed his own team for the opportunity to show it statistically. No different than Kobe needing Shaq to leave to show the full breadth of his talents.
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Notice the bold part...no mention of which series you was referencing, Harden was with OKC just 3 seasons and only played the Lakers in 2 series during his time there. I went with the first one since the discussion was about how good he was early in his career.

And since you're talking about the 2012 series... something to point out is that of his combined 80 total points scored nearly half (37) were from the free throw line. He shot 25% from deep for the series and just 35.8% FG.

Russ & KD carried and honestly the biggest reason OKC won was Ibaka taking Gasol to task. He averaged 4 blocks a game.

Go get them eyes checked...and NEXT time you need to clarify what series you're discussing cause ain't no one dumb enough to try and read your mind.
 
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#126,104
BigOrangeTrain said:
Guess you need to be taken to school yet again.

Points: LBJ (27), KD (27)
FG%- LBJ (51), KD (50)
Minutes- LBJ (38), KD (37)
3pt %- LBJ (35), KD (39)
Rebounds- LBJ (7.5), KD (7)
Steals- LBJ (1.5), KD (1.1)
Assists- LBJ (7.4), (4.4)

LeBron is the better shooter, plays more minutes, is the better passer and defender. KD is the better 3pt shooter. But KD isn’t a leader. He went to GS but Curry was already well established. Had KD never went to GS, he would have zero championships.
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Are you 12 years old? Cause I doubt anyone older than that can be this clueless? What do stats have to do with versatility? We're talking skill sets here not box scores. Also I don't know what leaderships or championships have to do with the conversation either. I never claimed KD was better than LeBron. I just said he was a more versatile player.

KD can play both inside and outside at a high level. While LeBron is primarily an inside player. You brought up field goal percentage which doesn't say anything about versatility. Shaq for example shoots a higher percentage than LeBron and KD from the field, does that make Shaq a more versatile scorer? No. He shoots a higher percentage because almost all his shots are in the paint. The players with the highest field goal percentages tend to be the players with the most limited games not the most versatile.

KD can also play off the ball at a higher level than LeBron. He's one of the best catch n shoot players of all-time. KD can also run an offense and play pick n roll basketball effectively. He's also a good passer. There's nothing he can't do at a high level offensively. LeBron on the other hand isn't as good off the ball. He's not as good in catch n shoot opportunities. He's not as good shooting free throws. He's not as good in the midrange. He also doesn't have as many dribble moves as KD. All in all KD is the more versatile player.
 
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#126,106
MoCo_Vol said:
As much hopping around as you do when trolling who knows what series you meant.



Notice the bold part...no mention of which series you was referencing, Harden was with OKC just 3 seasons and only played the Lakers in 2 series during his time there. I went with the first one since the discussion was about how good he was early in his career.

And since you're talking about the 2012 series... something to point out is that of his combined 80 total points scored nearly half (37) were from the free throw line. He shot 25% from deep for the series and just 35.8% FG.

Russ & KD carried and honestly the biggest reason OKC won was Ibaka taking Gasol to task. He averaged 4 blocks a game.

Go get them eyes checked...and NEXT time you need to clarify what series you're discussing cause ain't no one dumb enough to try and read your mind.
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I thought it was pretty obvious that if you get dominated in a playoff series you lose the series easily not win it 4-2.

Why would you assume the series I said Harden dominated Kobe would be the one the Lakers won 4-2 rather than the one they lost 4-1 just two years later?

Common sense people. Use it.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Not sure he's 3 years younger than Austin Reaves and the 3rd youngest player on the team. If the goal is to try and "reset" and get younger for the post Lebron era they might look to move AR instead. There is about a 10m per year difference in contract too.

DK is also the only Laker to appear in all 48 games for the team.
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One article mentioned that DK was initially part of the Luka deal. Not sure if that's true.
 
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VolGee4 said:
First, no one but the collectives truly know what these deals are worth. Second, they are going to be structured over 3-4 years, so total number is a little misleading. Third, I have read that Underwood's deal has a bunch of incentives. Finally, regardless if Sanders is first or 5th, he's probably first at his position and means we stepped up and paid for someone we wanted.
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This actually makes us look bad. We overpaid massively if he's making more than QBs rated ahead of him.
 
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#126,111
PKT_VOL said:
It is almost like you don't even read the post you are responding to. See the bold you glossed over then described:

Lebron is simply a freak of nature. He would probably have been a HOF TE had he choose football over basketball.

His unique athleticism enabled him to play all five positions, defensively and offensively, at a level we have never seen. Also, his athleticism fueled his insane longevity.
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How is playing football related to basketball? Also if you were just focusing on athleticism just say he's the best athlete the league has ever seen. I think that's actually a reasonable take. Along with Wilt and Shaq, he's definitely in the conversation for the greatest physical specimen in NBA history. However, when some mentions versatility in basketball it's usually related to playing basketball not football. And regardless of how athletic Shaq was his game wasn't very versatile. Same with LeBron. He doesn't play a versatile game offensively. He's pretty much just a point forward who runs 1-4 high pick n rolls every play. Despite his size he's never been a great post player. Guys like Kobe and MJ were far better in the post despite being smaller.

Now if you want to limit LeBron athletic versatility to his defense. I can get behind that. His unique athleticism does allow him to guard 1-5 without being too much of a liability which is extremely rare. But that's where his athletic versatility stops. On offense despite his freakish athleticism his offensive game was very limited and not versatile at all. Which is common with freak athletes who tend to just do the same things over and over again.
 
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#126,113
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I thought it was pretty obvious that if you get dominated in a playoff series you lose the series easily not win it 4-2.

Why would you assume the series I said Harden dominated Kobe would be the one the Lakers won 4-2 rather than the one they lost 4-1 just two years later?

Common sense people. Use it.
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Because you didn't say the series OKC dominated the Lakers.

Either way your assertion is still completely asinine since Harden at OKC played the Lakers a total of 11 times in the playoffs, he scored 20 points once in those 11 games and OKC lost that game. He shot 36.9% FG on 30.6% 3PT for a total of 11.5 ppg.

So take the L and move on kid.
 
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#126,115
MoCo_Vol said:
Not sure he's 3 years younger than Austin Reaves and the 3rd youngest player on the team. If the goal is to try and "reset" and get younger for the post Lebron era they might look to move AR instead. There is about a 10m per year difference in contract too.

DK is also the only Laker to appear in all 48 games for the team.
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DK went through a pretty long slump and the Lakers started playing him only around 10 mins a game. Lately though, seems to be ramping back up. Now, with Luka, I wonder if DK plays a lesser role (Luka taking so many 3's).
 
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PKT_VOL said:
It is almost like you don't even read the post you are responding to. See the bold you glossed over then described:



Lebron is simply a freak of nature. He would probably have been a HOF TE had he choose football over basketball.

His unique athleticism enabled him to play all five positions, defensively and offensively, at a level we have never seen. Also, his athleticism fueled his insane longevity.
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screenthis said:
DK went through a pretty long slump and the Lakers started playing him only around 10 mins a game. Lately though, seems to be ramping back up. Now, with Luka, I wonder if DK plays a lesser role (Luka taking so many 3's).
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Not sure when this slump was...he has played 10 minutes or less in only 4 games and they've been fairly spaced out.

I do worry about his minutes and production slipping though... Luka takes on average 3 more attempts per game than Lebron :oops:
 
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screenthis said:
DK went through a pretty long slump and the Lakers started playing him only around 10 mins a game. Lately though, seems to be ramping back up. Now, with Luka, I wonder if DK plays a lesser role (Luka taking so many 3's).
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Yeah I think with Luka and Lebron DK becomes trade Capitol for a 5. They desperately need a true big.
 
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#126,120
DD4ME said:
Kidd did not look enthusiastic to be attached to that swap or press conference at all.
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I think Jason Kidd didn't like being blindsided and then spoken for....but Dallas and Kidd specifically haven't been happy with Luka for awhile. They fired almost the entire strength & conditioning staff to try and motivate him to improve.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Wins the national championship and still can’t get respect. He will keep proving them wrong.
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Exactly what I was thinking but…going back to back is difficult which is why i think it looks like this…either way they’re underestimating Tony and the raw unproven talent we have on this roster..a lot of key spots had to be filled this offseason but we’ve just reloaded…in a lot of these spots
 
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DD4ME said:
Yeah I think with Luka and Lebron DK becomes trade Capitol for a 5. They desperately need a true big.
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Yeah, bringing over Kleber and Morris as part of the Luka deal doesn't seem like a serious long term solution.

Hayes and Koloko neither have played enough imo to really have shown if they are capable of being starters either.
 
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screenthis said:
DK went through a pretty long slump and the Lakers started playing him only around 10 mins a game. Lately though, seems to be ramping back up. Now, with Luka, I wonder if DK plays a lesser role (Luka taking so many 3's).
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I think he will..DK is a perimeter threat which LA lacked for a long time..they signed alot of shooters over many of seasons in FA but were never really consistent enough to get them where they wanted to be in my opinion..the other side of this is you don’t trade for a star like Luka and keep him on the bench..I’m curious to see how well Luka and LeBron play together considering both want the ball..LA should have just traded him in DK’s best interest…Jason definitely could have used him more than LA
 
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