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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
LOL. Here are all the advanced stats cited by basketball-reference.com (the leading basketball stats website):

AD - 27.4 PER, 61.0 TS%, 6.7 offensive win shares, 4.4 defensive win shares, 11.1 win shares, .250 win shares per 48 mins, 5.4 offensive box score plus/minus, 2.6 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.0 box score plus/minus, 5.4 Value Over Replacement

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LeBron - 25.5 PER, 57.7 TS%, 6.2 offensive win shares, 3.6 defensive win shares, 9.8 win shares, .204 win shares per 48 mins, 6.6 offensive box score plus/minus, 1.8 defensive box score plus/minus, 8.4 box score plus/minus, 6.1 Value Over Replacement


Anthony Davis leads him in every advanced stat outside of offensive box score plus/minus, box score plus/minus, and value over replacement. That's a 7 to 3 advantage for AD. And the only reason LeBron leads in those 3 categories is because of his higher usage rate. For the season LeBron had a usage rate of 31.5% to AD's 29.3%. It's why in the advanced stats that take usage rate like PER, AD leads LeBron.

No matter how you slice it Anthony Davis was the best player on the 2019-20 Lakers according to the TOTALITY of the advanced stats.
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Now do Jokic using the same site
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I'm not doing it for my benefit. It's called using your opponent's own argument against them. It's a very effective debating strategy. Now I'm ready to hear you tell me why stats don't matter after making stats the bedrock of your earlier argument.
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Stats do matter in context they’re not the end all be all. BR is the worst website to use for advanced stats. Their formula is simply based off the box score. I mean you really think Jokic has been a better defensive player than AD for the last 5 years? Cuz they do
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I guess when you can't refute cold hard facts smileys are the only option.
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It’s bcuz you use idiotic (arguments to validate your idiotic opinions. Your validation for AD having 1 winning without Lebron was Lebron was in a weak east? Uh ok

Pistons were elite when bron got in the league, heat had Shaq and Wade, Celtics were elite by year 3, Orlando had also went on a really good run of winning 60 games a year. You use Leonard with the raptors you realize him winning the finals means he beat the best west team, right?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Now do Jokic using the same site
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Jokic would dominante every player in NBA history based on analytics even Michael Jordan. He's the greatest statistical player in NBA history according to the advanced stats. It's why I don't use stats as the barometer for judging players. It would lead you to silly conclusions like Jokic being better than Jordan.

I only did that statistical comparison for the ignorant LeBron fans who are enamored by his stats when it benefits him but then ignore his stats when others are better.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Stats do matter in context they’re not the end all be all. BR is the worst website to use for advanced stats. Their formula is simply based off the box score. I mean you really think Jokic has been a better defensive player than AD for the last 5 years? Cuz they do
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No stats are irrelevant for anybody who watched the games. All box scores do is give people who didn't watch information about what happened in the game. However, that information will always be limited compared to actually watching the game.

Do you really need to see the box score from the Bills vs Chiefs playoff game last Sunday to know who did or didn't play well? When you watch a game closely you will have superior information to any stat sheet.

I judge players exclusively on the eye test. I watch them play and determine how good they are based on what I see in game rather than basing my opinion on what I see after the game on the stat sheet.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No stats are irrelevant for anybody who watched the games. All box scores do is give people who didn't watch information about what happened in the game. However, that information will always be limited compared to actually watching the game.

Do you really need to see the box score from the Bills vs Chiefs playoff game last Sunday to know who did or didn't play well? When you watch a game closely you will have superior information to any stat sheet.

I judge players exclusively on the eye test. I watch them play and determine how good they are based on what I see in game rather than basing my opinion on what I see after the game on the stat sheet.
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You must have a lot of time on your hands to watch hundred of thousands of hours of game film. I hope you get paid for that
 
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Smokey123 said:
It’s bcuz you use idiotic (arguments to validate your idiotic opinions. Your validation for AD having 1 winning without Lebron was Lebron was in a weak east? Uh ok

Pistons were elite when bron got in the league, heat had Shaq and Wade, Celtics were elite by year 3, Orlando had also went on a really good run of winning 60 games a year. You use Leonard with the raptors you realize him winning the finals means he beat the best west team, right?
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Well most of LeBron's finals trips came with two other Hall of Famers on the team with him. I'm sure if you gave AD guys like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, and Love that he too would have made it out of the East. The only two years LeBron made the Finals without a loaded roster was 2007 and 2018. Just like Jimmy Butler made 2 NBA Finals without a loaded roster. I'm sure if Jimmy Butler could do it so could AD.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Well most of LeBron's finals trips came with two other Hall of Famers on the team with him. I'm sure if you gave AD guys like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, and Love that he too would have made it out of the East. The only two years LeBron made the Finals without a loaded roster was 2007 and 2018. Just like Jimmy Butler made 2 NBA Finals without a loaded roster. I'm sure if Jimmy Butler could do it so could AD.
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Except he couldn’t. He could barely even have a winning record in 7 tries. His best season he got swept in the 2nd round and that’s with having a really good roster
 
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Smokey123 said:
You must have a lot of time on your hands to watch hundred of thousands of hours of game film. I hope you get paid for that
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No. But I did grow up watching almost every playoff game. And to me there's not a better judge of how good or not good a player is than the playoffs. It's why I usually wait until the playoffs to truly rate guys in the NBA. With the NFL and college there's a limited sample size so I tend to watch the big games every Saturday and Sunday.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Except he couldn’t. He could barely even have a winning record in 7 tries. His best season he got swept in the 2nd round and that’s with having a really good roster
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AD played in the tough western conference. A conference that LeBron himself failed to make the playoffs in during his first season. I don't think it's an indictment of AD that he couldn't overcome the odds of such a weak supporting cast to advance in the West. Just think who his best teammate was before LeBron. AD truly played by himself and even LeBron couldn't win by himself in the West.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. But I did grow up watching almost every playoff game. And to me there's not a better judge of how good or not good a player is than the playoffs. It's why I usually wait until the playoffs to truly rate guys in the NBA. With the NFL and college there's a limited sample size so I tend to watch the big games every Saturday and Sunday.
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But yet… you said AD was the best player on the lakers championship while also saying bron was better in the finals. Alright
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
AD played in the tough western conference. A conference that LeBron himself failed to make the playoffs in during his first season. I don't think it's an indictment of AD that he couldn't overcome the odds of such a weak supporting cast to advance in the West. Just think who his best teammate was before LeBron. AD truly played by himself and even LeBron couldn't win by himself in the West.
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You mean the season him and Ingram played less than 60 games? Of course they missed the playoffs
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You mean the same NBA that passed on Jokic for the entire first round in the 2014 draft? Citing what NBA teams would do isn't a good argument considering how many mistakes they make.

If Jokic is better than AD surely he should be able to advance further in the playoffs this year than AD on the Mavs? You just told me AD has never won anything without LeBron. So if he wins the West with Kyrie then what would you say?
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Jokic is better than AD today...AD's one championship season from 6 years ago or where each was drafted to start their careers hasn't got a damn thing to do with that.
 
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