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[Vol8188]

It's not just about cities versus rural areas. It's about being only surrounded by other poor people versus the fact thar poor whites tend to be more dispersed and not concentrated in slums and ghettos like black people.

When you concentrate poor people in certain areas that's what produces violence. We all know where the black hoods are in our cities. The equivalent of them (i.e. white ghettos) just don't exist in a similar scale. It's the lack of concentrated white ghettos filled with just poor white people that explains the lower levels of violence.

I literally just told you that the population density was greater in Kentucky. Kentucky has a greater concentration of poor people. Yet 1/3 of the homicides.

The concentration of poor white people in KY is greater than the concentration of poor black in MS. Yet, you have 3x the homicide rate. Poor white people at greater concentrations still have lower rates of homicide.

The issue is not population density. The issue is not poverty. Continuing to blame racism for the problem only helps ensure we don’t solve the overwhelming cultural problem that exists.

 

[ButchPlz]

You mention a genetic proclivity to violence based on skin color while also thinking solely with your skin. Fascinating.

He's an ancestor of kangz, man.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Crime is more of a product of character and the type of people, culture, and nurturing in your surroundings.

I actually agree with this. And my post actually agrees with this sentiment. The reason violence is higher among poor blacks is because black people are usually concentrated in ghettos communities. It's this concentration of poverty that creates the culture that nurtures violence. Poor whites on the other hand live in dispersed communities and are not concentrated in slums and ghettos. Thus a culture that breeds violence never forms.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

I literally just told you that the population density was greater in Kentucky. Kentucky has a greater concentration of poor people. Yet 1/3 of the homicides.

The concentration of poor white people in KY is greater than the concentration of poor black in MS. Yet, you have 3x the homicide rate. Poor white people at greater concentrations still have lower rates of homicide.

The issue is not population density. The issue is not poverty. Continuing to blame racism for the problem only helps ensure we don’t solve the overwhelming cultural problem that exists.

One state versus another state is a small sample size. You can't make wide sweeping generalizations based on such a limited sample size. What we do know is when we look at the NATION as a whole that poor blacks are far more likely to live in concentrated poor communities than poor whites. A data set covering the entire country is more relevant than a data set limited to just one state.

 

[C-south]

One state versus another state is a small sample size. You can't make wide sweeping generalizations based on such a limited sample size. What we do know is when we look at the NATION as a whole that poor blacks are far more likely to live in concentrated poor communities than poor whites. A data set covering the entire country is more relevant than a data set limited to just one state.

Literally all you do.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Literally all you do.

Not on limited data sets. Generalizations are fine based on a wide data set. He cited one state versus another while ignoring the rest of the nation.

 

[Vol8188]

One state versus another state is a small sample size. You can't make wide sweeping generalizations based on such a limited sample size. What we do know is when we look at the NATION as a whole that poor blacks are far more likely to live in concentrated poor communities than poor whites. A data set covering the entire country is more relevant than a data set limited to just one state.

The reasons we are using the states we are using is because MS and Louisiana are the two states with the highest black population. So we are comparing them to much whiter states with similar poverty levels.

Even when poor white live in concentrated communities, they kill people at far lower rates.

Where’s your data set covering the entire country?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

 

[LouderVol]

Not on limited data sets. Generalizations are fine based on a wide data set. He cited one state versus another while ignoring the rest of the nation.

generalizations are fine if you correctly understand the difference in correlation vs causation when studying the data. and when you actually look at all the data, and don't just cherry pick.

 

[LouderVol]

Apparently some of them don't even know who Che is...even though their kids wear his face on their T-shirts. Lol. Thought i was gonna have to teach history class up in here one day, but as usual my man Louder stepped in to teach the history lesson and all was right in the world. Fwiw, Louder is apparently a history/war buff and does an excellent job. He is sharp as a tack when it comes to remembering all the dates and what went down. The Che Guevara Tee has sadly been a staple at the "Angsty Teenager Store" since I was a dumb teenager...

I usually don't remember the dates or exact details off the top of my head. I remember enough to be able to quickly research any of the exact dates/names/places. and I am autistic enough to do it. I would rather be right than fast. I can't tell how many rabbit holes I have been down, because either I was wrong, or found something new I hadn't seen before, just from reading some points on here. but I get so sidetracked I forget whatever the point was here that triggered me, so I never end up posting.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The reasons we are using the states we are using is because MS and Louisiana are the two states with the highest black population. So we are comparing them to much whiter states with similar poverty levels.

Even when poor white live in concentrated communities, they kill people at far lower rates.

Where’s your data set covering the entire country?

Mississippi and Louisiana are not even in the top 5 states for total black population. According to the 2020 Census Tennessee has a greater black population than Mississippi and the top 3 states for total black population are Texas, Florida, and Georgia. What you're talking about is highest percentage of a state population. And the only reason that's the case is because Mississippi and Louisiana are low population states compared to the rest of the south.

 

[Vol8188]

Mississippi and Louisiana are not even in the top 5 states for total black population. According to the 2020 Census Tennessee has a greater black population than Mississippi and the top 3 states for total black population are Texas, Florida, and Georgia. What you're talking about is highest percentage of a state population. And the only reason that's the case is because Mississippi and Louisiana are low population states compared to the rest of the south.

Yes, % is what I’m talking about. Because crime data is done per capita.

If MS and Louisiana are such low population, why do they lead the country in homicides per capita almost annually?

You ensured me this was an issue of population density. Now you’re telling me no one lives there?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Yes, % is what I’m talking about. Because crime data is done per capita.

If MS and Louisiana are such low population, why do they lead the country in homicides per capita almost annually?

You ensured me this was an issue of population density. Now you’re telling me no one lives there?

My argument is limited sample sizes are subject to outliers. If you had a sample size greater than two it might be compelling. But the combined population of Mississippi and Louisiana is about 5% of the total black population in America. I don't think you can make a generalization about a data set based on just 5% of said data.

 

[Vol8188]

My argument is limited sample sizes are subject to outliers. If you had a sample size greater than two it might be compelling. But the combined population of Mississippi and Louisiana is about 5% of the total black population in America. I don't think you can make a generalization about a data set based on just 5% of said data.

Except it’s not limited. You could look back over a decade and you’ll see MS and Louisiana both at the top annually.

We both agree that the black homicide rate is significantly higher the white homicide rate. Therefore the two states with the highest % of black people are also the two states annually that have the highest homicide rates.

How is that “an outlier”

What specifically are you calling a generalization?

 

[LouderVol]

My argument is limited sample sizes are subject to outliers. If you had a sample size greater than two it might be compelling. But the combined population of Mississippi and Louisiana is about 5% of the total black population in America. I don't think you can make a generalization about a data set based on just 5% of said data.

your argument relies on the same small sample size, or in fact complete lack of sample size.

you argue it is the small, cramped, poor "ghetto" conditions that cause AA to be more violent, and stand by the assumption that whites or others would be as violent in the same conditions. with no/little sample size to back it up.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Except it’s not limited. You could look back over a decade and you’ll see MS and Louisiana both at the top annually.

We both agree that the black homicide rate is significantly higher the white homicide rate. Therefore the two states with the highest % of black people are also the two states annually that have the highest homicide rates.

How is that “an outlier”

What specifically are you calling a generalization?

The theory I'm promoting is the fact that concentration of poor people into isolated communities causes violence. If most poor blacks live in urban ghettos, you finding a few pockets of outlier communities that are analogous to less concentrated poor white communities does not disprove my argument because of the limited sample size.

Essentially it comes down to this. If 95% poor black communities are in concentrated ghettos and only 5% are in widely dispersed rural areas, you can't use that 5% sample to disprove the overall theory because that sample size is too small. Louisiana and Mississippi represent 5% of the total black population in the United States. That's not a large enough sample size to say much of anything.

 

[Vol8188]

The theory I'm promoting is the fact that concentration of poor people into isolated communities causes violence. If most poor blacks live in urban ghettos, you finding a few pockets of outlier communities that are analogous to less concentrated poor white communities does not disprove my argument because of the limited sample size.

Essentially it comes down to this. If 95% poor black communities are in concentrated ghettos and only 5% are in widely dispersed rural areas, you can't use that 5% sample to disprove the overall theory because that sample size is too small. Louisiana and Mississippi represent 5% of the total black population in the United States. That's not a large enough sample size to say much of anything.

The two blackest states aren’t outliers and they’re also the most violent states. They also don’t meet your claim of “concentrated ghettos”.

It’s a large enough sample to say that they continually have the highest homicide rates year over year. You’re attempting to pretend these 2 states are outliers because it destroys your claim.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

The two blackest states aren’t outliers and they’re also the most violent states. They also don’t meet your claim of “concentrated ghettos”.

It’s a large enough sample to say that they continually have the highest homicide rates year over year. You’re attempting to pretend these 2 states are outliers because it destroys your claim.

5% of a total is not necessarily representative of the whole.

 

[LouderVol]

5% of a total is not necessarily representative of the whole.

It doesn't have to be representative. Your stance has been that black violence is typically worse because of the conditions. Yet the relative worse violence is still present in the populations outside of the conditions you set.

 

[Vol8188]

5% of a total is not necessarily representative of the whole.

And yet when we look at the whole, we still see similar levels of violence. So it’s not an outlier, because it falls perfectly in line with the rest of the data. You’re wanting to call it an outlier because the states with the highest homicide rates don’t fit your population density claim.

So why do those two states continually rank at the top of the country in homicide rates? The answer is obvious. They have the highest percent black populations in the country

If you rank cities by population density you’ll find no correlation with homicide rate. If you rank them by % black, you’ll find a massive correlation. Memphis, Jackson MS, these aren’t densely populated places.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It doesn't have to be representative. Your stance has been that black violence is typically worse because of the conditions. Yet the relative worse violence is still present in the populations outside of the conditions you set.

And yet when we look at the whole, we still see similar levels of violence. So it’s not an outlier, because it falls perfectly in line with the rest of the data. You’re wanting to call it an outlier because the states with the highest homicide rates don’t fit your population density claim.

So why do those two states continually rank at the top of the country in homicide rates? The answer is obvious. They have the highest percent black populations in the country

If you rank cities by population density you’ll find no correlation with homicide rate. If you rank them by % black, you’ll find a massive correlation. Memphis, Jackson MS, these aren’t densely populated places.

This isn't how science works. You need representative samples to make any sort of far reaching conclusions.

 

[Vol8188]

This isn't how science works. You need representative samples to make any sort of far reaching conclusions.

Lmfao…..okay buddy. How do these states not count as representative samples?

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Lmfao…..okay buddy. How do these states not count as representative samples?

Most black people live in large high population urban areas.

 

[Vol8188]

Most black people live in large high population urban areas.

And yet when they live in low population areas, the homicide rates are still through the roof.

So the problem isn’t high population. Actually if you look at the most populated cities in America you won’t find New Orleans or Memphis on that list.

Population density is not the issue. And you can’t call something that perfectly fits the rest of the data an outlier.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And yet when they live in low population areas, the homicide rates are still through the roof.

So the problem isn’t high population. Actually if you look at the most populated cities in America you won’t find New Orleans or Memphis on that list.

Population density is not the issue. And you can’t call something that perfectly fits the rest of the data an outlier.

The argument isn't black cities are the most populous. The argument is poor blacks tend to live in urban ghettos while poor whites are spread out across the country in rural areas. The number of poor blacks in rural areas isn't representative enough to draw valid conclusions from. Sorta like how it would be inconclusive to draw any conclusions from poor whites who live in the hood. It's not statistically significant.