House v. NCAA settlement fallout

[FortSanders]

I have not heard anything about Tennessee paying players directly as employees, as a result of the House v. NCAA settlement. Is there any news? Will UT opt-in?

In the latest development from the antitrust class-action lawsuit filed against the NCAA regarding potential compensation allegedly denied to student-athletes, Judge Claudia Wilken of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California granted preliminary approval to the parties’ settlement. If finalized, the settlement would grant $2.78 billion to thousands of college athletes over the next decade, and schools would have the discretion to share approximately 22% of revenue with student-athletes.

Taking It to the House: Preliminary Approval of Settlement in House v. NCAA Could Bring Significant Changes to College Sports

In the latest development from the antitrust class-action lawsuit filed against the NCAA regarding potential compensation allegedly denied to student-athletes, Judge Claudia Wilken of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California granted preliminary approval to the parties’...

natlawreview.com

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I have not heard anything about Tennessee paying players directly as employees, as a result of the House v. NCAA settlement. Is there any news? Will UT opt-in?

In the latest development from the antitrust class-action lawsuit filed against the NCAA regarding potential compensation allegedly denied to student-athletes, Judge Claudia Wilken of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California granted preliminary approval to the parties’ settlement. If finalized, the settlement would grant $2.78 billion to thousands of college athletes over the next decade, and schools would have the discretion to share approximately 22% of revenue with student-athletes.

Taking It to the House: Preliminary Approval of Settlement in House v. NCAA Could Bring Significant Changes to College Sports

In the latest development from the antitrust class-action lawsuit filed against the NCAA regarding potential compensation allegedly denied to student-athletes, Judge Claudia Wilken of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California granted preliminary approval to the parties’...

natlawreview.com

I'd say the talent fee suggests we will.

Tennessee football's 10% talent fee opens discussion of how many schools and sports will follow

Tennessee’s announcement of a 10% talent fee on 2025 football season tickets to help pay players could have been considered inevitable in the still-evolving era of name, image and likeness compensation.

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[VFLCodyGBO]

Here come the contracts baby!

 

[Butch s]

Here come the contracts baby!

And the lawyers, and the union.

 

[CAVPUT]

And the lawyers, and the union.

This^^! It's what killed MLB for me. Was a braves fan when I lived in GA. Followed them like the Vols. One strike sucked. Then they did it again. Not sure why Glavine became mud to me. Know he was just repping for all players, but I hated him after that one. Haven't watched MLB since. Seems like a good thing for the players right now, but just like the NIL and unlimited free agency, reality turned out to be far different so will unionization. Anyone thinking this will solve all the problems will soon come to realize that while some of the current gripes will, indeed, go away, they'll be replaced with a whole new set of problems.....which undoubtedly will mostly screw fans in the end....rear end. Dark times for a sport I so dearly loved. Hardly recognize it now, but when unions come, the sport I knew wiil have officially died. It's no longer college football. It's the NFL-lite. That's just sad.

 

[FortSanders]

If players are state employees, won't they be subject to Tennessee state rules prohibiting public employee unionization?

As state employees, won't the school be required to cover players with benefits, including health care, workers comp and disability insurance?

What if a player has a catastrophic injury? Or brain trauma? Who pays?

 

[Delmar]

This^^! It's what killed MLB for me. Was a braves fan when I lived in GA. Followed them like the Vols. One strike sucked. Then they did it again. Not sure why Glavine became mud to me. Know he was just repping for all players, but I hated him after that one. Haven't watched MLB since. Seems like a good thing for the players right now, but just like the NIL and unlimited free agency, reality turned out to be far different so will unionization. Anyone thinking this will solve all the problems will soon come to realize that while some of the current gripes will, indeed, go away, they'll be replaced with a whole new set of problems.....which undoubtedly will mostly screw fans in the end....rear end. Dark times for a sport I so dearly loved. Hardly recognize it now, but when unions come, the sport I knew wiil have officially died. It's no longer college football. It's the NFL-lite. That's just sad.

I quit watching MLB after their strike in the mid-90’s. Haven’t watched a game since then and couldn’t name 5 players now.

 

[LAVol1]

This^^! It's what killed MLB for me. Was a braves fan when I lived in GA. Followed them like the Vols. One strike sucked. Then they did it again. Not sure why Glavine became mud to me. Know he was just repping for all players, but I hated him after that one. Haven't watched MLB since. Seems like a good thing for the players right now, but just like the NIL and unlimited free agency, reality turned out to be far different so will unionization. Anyone thinking this will solve all the problems will soon come to realize that while some of the current gripes will, indeed, go away, they'll be replaced with a whole new set of problems.....which undoubtedly will mostly screw fans in the end....rear end. Dark times for a sport I so dearly loved. Hardly recognize it now, but when unions come, the sport I knew wiil have officially died. It's no longer college football. It's the NFL-lite. That's just sad.

When you only have a narrowly limited time to benefit from a strike, it's not likely to happen. Do you think a player with 1 or 2 yrs of eligibility would be willing to vote to strike?

 

[LAVol1]

What if a player has a catastrophic injury? Or brain trauma? Who pays?

The insurance company.

Athletes injuries that require surgery or treatment are paid for by the university now. I would think that LTD insurance would be in the employee package and would not be that expensive because of the age of the players.

If you are an employee, you likely pay a significant share of your insurance. Don't see why it would be different from athletes who are employees. Might be a good life lesson to see those costs deducted from their paychecks.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Here come the contracts baby!

And more sh***y football baby

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I quit watching MLB after their strike in the mid-90’s. Haven’t watched a game since then and couldn’t name 5 players now.

Same

 

[FortSanders]

Rothstein says that 5 years of eligibility are being discussed.

 

[NighthawkVol]

And the lawyers, and the union.

I don't know why some of y'all are complaining about this. This is a good thing. We've already gone to a pro model, except that every player can leave at anytime.

Let's put them under contract. Let's negotiate those contracts. And let's have those contracts reflect an obligation of a certain number of years. We're in the wild west right now. We need to reign it in.

 

[VOLfrombama]

"However, it does not address all the labor and employment issues in the field, as college athletes remain non-employees without the right to join labor unions."

Why does everyone think they will be employees? The article says the suit does not require that. The model will be revenue sharing and not a salaried or contract employee.

 

[HeavenUniversity]

I still think long-term this will hurt a lot of student-athletes. Some schools will drop some sports to pay for football/basketball. Some will go down to Division 1-AA which means less scholarships. Some schools will opt for long bus rides instead of planes. Although they didn’t have football, University of Hartford dropped all the way from Division 1 to Division 3. Saint Francis in New York City was Division 1 and ended the entire athletic program. Every school not in the Big Ten or SEC will have to cut costs. The other thing I don’t hear people talk about is the very likely death of colleges adding any new sports in the future—lacrosse, hockey, wrestling, field hockey, rowing, etc.

 

[bigorangepoppa]

The insurance company.

Athletes injuries that require surgery or treatment are paid for by the university now. I would think that LTD insurance would be in the employee package and would not be that expensive because of the age of the players.

If you are an employee, you likely pay a significant share of your insurance. Don't see why it would be different from athletes who are employees. Might be a good life lesson to see those costs deducted from their paychecks.

Would the cost be more simply because they are participating in a sport than can put them at greater risk of being injured?

 

[FortSanders]

"However, it does not address all the labor and employment issues in the field, as college athletes remain non-employees without the right to join labor unions."

Why does everyone think they will be employees? The article says the suit does not require that. The model will be revenue sharing and not a salaried or contract employee.

Because college athletes will now meet the definition of an employee as opposed to an independent contractor. (I am not a labor lawyer.)

There is expected to be a revenue sharing agreement between players and schools, which would require contracts with the players and full control over what the players do.

Here's some information to help business owners avoid problems that can result from misclassifying workers.​

An employee is generally considered anyone who performs services, if the business can control what will be done and how it will be done. What matters is that the business has the right to control the details of how the worker's services are performed. Independent contractors are normally people in an independent trade, business or profession in which they offer their services to the public.

Worker Classification 101: employee or independent contractor | Internal Revenue Service

Tax Tip 2022-117, August 2, 2022 — A business might pay an independent contractor and an employee for the same or similar work, but there are key legal differences between the two. It is critical for business owners to correctly determine whether the people providing services are employees or...

www.irs.gov

 

[VOLfrombama]

Because college athletes will now meet the definition of an employee as opposed to an independent contractor. (I am not a labor lawyer.)

There is expected to be a revenue sharing agreement between players and schools, which would require contracts with the players and full control over what the players do.

Here's some information to help business owners avoid problems that can result from misclassifying workers.​

An employee is generally considered anyone who performs services, if the business can control what will be done and how it will be done. What matters is that the business has the right to control the details of how the worker's services are performed. Independent contractors are normally people in an independent trade, business or profession in which they offer their services to the public.

Worker Classification 101: employee or independent contractor | Internal Revenue Service

Tax Tip 2022-117, August 2, 2022 — A business might pay an independent contractor and an employee for the same or similar work, but there are key legal differences between the two. It is critical for business owners to correctly determine whether the people providing services are employees or...

www.irs.gov

But revenue sharing is not necessarily employment. Stakeholders get revenue sharing from corporations but they dont have to be employees in order to get it

 

[butchna]

Fans will adjust…or become avid marble shooting viewers.

 

[adam.vol]

If players are state employees, won't they be subject to Tennessee state rules prohibiting public employee unionization?

As state employees, won't the school be required to cover players with benefits, including health care, workers comp and disability insurance?

What if a player has a catastrophic injury? Or brain trauma? Who pays?

I should have read more because my response has already been addressed.

Interesting thoughts.

 

[adam.vol]

The insurance company.

Athletes injuries that require surgery or treatment are paid for by the university now. I would think that LTD insurance would be in the employee package and would not be that expensive because of the age of the players.

If you are an employee, you likely pay a significant share of your insurance. Don't see why it would be different from athletes who are employees. Might be a good life lesson to see those costs deducted from their paychecks.

I wonder how an insurance company feels about a QB’s helmet getting destroyed with no penalty.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

"However, it does not address all the labor and employment issues in the field, as college athletes remain non-employees without the right to join labor unions."

Why does everyone think they will be employees? The article says the suit does not require that. The model will be revenue sharing and not a salaried or contract employee.

Probably because there's a ton of legal evidence suggesting that's where all this is heading.

Should Student-Athletes Be Considered Employees? An Answer Will Come Soon in Johnson v. NCAA

May 28, 2024 Victor Ficarra, a third-year law student at Temple Law, examines the road to Johnson v. NCAA and how the 3rd Circuit may rule on this appeal. He explores how the NCAA has fared in recent federal court cases and what other decisions may implicate the 3rd Circuit’s decision

www2.law.temple.edu

 

[CAVPUT]

I don't know why some of y'all are complaining about this. This is a good thing. We've already gone to a pro model, except that every player can leave at anytime.

Let's put them under contract. Let's negotiate those contracts. And let's have those contracts reflect an obligation of a certain number of years. We're in the wild west right now. We need to reign it in.

Now we have a legal eagle endorsing this. What does that tell you? We're about to get screwed somehow, some way. Book it. Your honor, I rest my case.

 

[CAVPUT]

Fans will adjust…or become avid marble shooting viewers.

Wait til I post pics of my cats eye marbles from my youth. Folks will be green with envy.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Probably because there's a ton of legal evidence suggesting that's where all this is heading.

Should Student-Athletes Be Considered Employees? An Answer Will Come Soon in Johnson v. NCAA

May 28, 2024 Victor Ficarra, a third-year law student at Temple Law, examines the road to Johnson v. NCAA and how the 3rd Circuit may rule on this appeal. He explores how the NCAA has fared in recent federal court cases and what other decisions may implicate the 3rd Circuit’s decision

www2.law.temple.edu

I dont see it ever going that way. I think it goes to a minor league model before they make D1 athletes employees. This type of ruling may eventually force the issue all together.