Per sources, some guys played last night knowing they were leaving

#51
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Orangepantsforever said:
I disagree a bit. I think we all like to believe that they’re all about winning, but I think the main driving force is money. It’s that way for most everyone, whether a collegiate or professional. Not a slam towards the player, but I just think that’s it. I truly believe that the athletes would leave a contender for anyone, if the money was right. Just the way of the world.
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I think we are looking for excuses. We got our clock cleaned.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If true, this adds some clarity to Heupel's statement:

Yeah, a ton of disappointment in our locker room for everybody that’s invested.

Being a college head coach has to be just awful at this point.
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Your highlighted part. The use of the word invested. Interesting.

I have thought for quite a while here that the end game of all this is going to be legal.

Player signs contract with collective. Players gives half effort. Collective cannot go after player legally for poor performance but if they can prove fraud, etc.

This is not college football
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
Oh yeah, that’s the ticket! Let the US Congress, no matter who is in control, try to fix this thing.

Those jokers couldn’t find their way out of a wet paper bag. I’m sure they will be able to fix this mess.
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Nobody has suggested anything that makes sense that I have heard. I'm not sure this even a mess, I mean, if people weren't used to drafts, price fixing, etc that is professional sports nobody would think anything of it other than the "market".
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not sure there is anything to fix. I mean, society generally doesn't allow this. Not sure even Congress could "fix" this to be honest, they certainly can mess it up worse.
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The "fix" is an Antitrust Exemption but that turns college into a pro league, most likely, and that qualifies as messing it up worse.

Pro status is probably coming anyway via the courts declaring players employees THEN, late to the party as usual, Congress will probably do something and it'll most likely complicate things even more.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If true, this adds some clarity to Heupel's statement:

Yeah, a ton of disappointment in our locker room for everybody that’s invested.

Being a college head coach has to be just awful at this point.
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Yep that why Saban, Coach K and Tony Bennett all walked away. They had enough of this garbage. It is what it is now though.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
The "fix" is an Antitrust Exemption but that turns college into a pro league, most likely, and that qualifies as messing it up worse.

Pro status is probably coming anyway via the courts declaring players employees THEN, late to the party as usual, Congress will probably do something and it'll most likely complicate things even more.
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Then all the colleges would be admitting that the players were employees i.e. back pay, tax evasion, insurance, collective bargaining, etc. And that doesn't really fix anything, meaning the players would still be allowed outside pay. There is no one size fits all.

You going to have a draft?

It doesn't solve anything.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Nobody has suggested anything that makes sense that I have heard. I'm not sure this even a mess, I mean, if people weren't used to drafts, price fixing, etc that is professional sports nobody would think anything of it other than the "market".
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Yeah, don’t disagree. I just don’t know if this wide open environment and the monster it’s created is what’s best for college football. I’ve alternated between full support of it and being turned off by what it has led to. Maybe that’s just the way it is, but as someone in their early 40’s with a kid at UT, something just doesn’t seem right with the way this has played out.
 
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DooleyOrangePants said:
Yeah, don’t disagree. I just don’t know if this wide open environment and the monster it’s created is what’s best for college football. I’ve alternated between full support of it and being turned off by what it has led to. Maybe that’s just the way it is, but as someone in their early 40’s with a kid at UT, something just doesn’t seem right with the way this has played out.
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I know what you mean. It's just all of us have to remember, it's not about us. For the record, I don't really watch sports anymore.
 
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stolitonic said:
Your highlighted part. The use of the word invested. Interesting.

I have thought for quite a while here that the end game of all this is going to be legal.

Player signs contract with collective. Players gives half effort. Collective cannot go after player legally for poor performance but if they can prove fraud, etc.

This is not college football
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I'm unsure about being able to easily prove "fraud" unless they get some text or email discovery of the player saying they were going to "ride it out."

I've wondered that about pro players who seem to go really hard until they sign that big contract, then they're suddenly only mediocre.

I KNOW that academics will publish, present papers, etc until they get tenure then proof.... they never do significant research or publish again.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It was the Supreme Court of The United States of America who made the NCAA open up NIL, not the voices of the fans.

They also pointed directly to Congress as the only ones who could fix the situation. Happy, happy, joy, joy...... that's who can fix it.
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Congress has not fixed anything in 24 years.

They will not address it anytime soon and the NCAA was trying to hide behind Congress' Skirt to get a favorable ruling and gain back control.

I believe the NCAA loosen the rules to cause more disruption, havoc and chaos.

The NCAA has no intent of fixing it unless they can control or benefit from it. Probably wants 10% of all NIL deals. NIL is a money grab of which the NCAA was cut out of in the process.

State laws will be the driving factor here.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm unsure about being able to easily prove "fraud" unless they get some text or email discovery of the player saying they were going to "ride it out."

I've wondered that about pro players who seem to go really hard until they sign that big contract, then they're suddenly only mediocre.

I KNOW that academics will publish, present papers, etc until they get tenure then proof.... they never do significant research or publish again.
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My question would be what would be a third parties damages?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It was the Supreme Court of The United States of America who made the NCAA open up NIL, not the voices of the fans.

They also pointed directly to Congress as the only ones who could fix the situation. Happy, happy, joy, joy...... that's who can fix it.
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It’s hopeless if Congress is the only ones who can fix it.
 
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wmcovol said:
It’s hopeless if Congress is the only ones who can fix it.
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If you mean "fix" in that players are locked in, there is an even payment per institution or similar, and those kind of things.... most likely even Congress can't help you with this one at scale.

There simply is no easy one size fits all approach at scale here. In the meantime, the schools are going to eventually owe fairly good money to some of these players going forward.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Then all the colleges would be admitting that the players were employees i.e. back pay, tax evasion, insurance, collective bargaining, etc. And that doesn't really fix anything, meaning the players would still be allowed outside pay. There is no one size fits all.

You going to have a draft?

It doesn't solve anything.
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I've said that's the end. Another pro league and I've said schools need to get out of the pro sports business.

The current "in between" amateur and pro model isn't going to abide very long. Players are already in court to both unionize and be called employees.

If that happens, everything you mentioned follows from the draft out of high school to the suspension of mandatory college enrollment.

The big losers: non revenue sports AND small schools who might be forced to drop sports or pay players as employees.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
There were issues. A player on an athletic scholarship was banned from working a part time job. At the same time schools are selling apparel that sells because it has a specific player's number on it. They still could have come up with a better plan. The NCAA also knew adjudication was going to go in the players' favor in this matter
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Pell grant opportunities helped blunt the part time job. The part time job was to stop the Rhett Bomar deals for players, little to no work for over compensation by businesses. I have no issue with a kid receiving 100% paid tuition forfeiting their rights of jersey purchases. I do agree, they need a better plan then a free for all.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I've said that's the end. Another pro league and I've said schools need to get out of the pro sports business.

The current "in between" amateur and pro model isn't going to abide very long. Players are already in court to both unionize and be called employees.

If that happens, everything you mentioned follows from the draft out of high school to the suspension of mandatory college enrollment.

The big losers: non revenue sports AND small schools who might be forced to drop sports or pay players as employees.
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It will probably get much worse, something I spoke about 10-12 years ago before anyone wanted to hear about it. The lawyers are going to make bank.

I just don't see a one size approach for all schools, so, how can Congress "fix" it... they really can't. Maybe an exemption for a handful of schools to try it as a NFL competitor or something.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It was the Supreme Court of The United States of America who made the NCAA open up NIL, not the voices of the fans.

They also pointed directly to Congress as the only ones who could fix the situation. Happy, happy, joy, joy...... that's who can fix it.
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It started with the OBannon brothers back in the 90’s and escalated from there through the courts. And yes it escalated with fans, media takes and players calling themselves gladiators competing for enjoyment. Fans don’t like being pointed at and yes, congress isn’t the answer.

Most remember the Arian Foster foodgate
 
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