Portal Jumping

[EverythingOrange]

I know a lot has been said about this, already. -- Just my 2-cents worth.....

This whole "transfer portal" thing is a mess! An entire team / program can be upended just from players transferring to another school....
It's hard enough recruiting without having to re-recruit and convince current players to stay with the team.

(Things are ever-changing, and my numbers may not be exact) but, just to compare a few SEC teams:
By my count Tennessee has 12 players in the transfer portal.
LSU: 16
Kentucky: 20
Oklahoma: 24
Miss State: 25
Arkansas: 27

They need to make it like it used to be, where you have to sit out a year if you transfer.
You don't even see this much moving around with free-agency in the NFL!

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I know a lot has been said about this, already. -- Just my 2-cents worth.....

This whole "transfer portal" thing is a mess! An entire team / program can be upended just from players transferring to another school....
It's hard enough recruiting without having to re-recruit and convince current players to stay with the team.

(Things are ever-changing, and my numbers may not be exact) but, just to compare a few SEC teams:
By my count Tennessee has 12 players in the transfer portal.
LSU: 16
Kentucky: 20
Oklahoma: 24
Miss State: 25
Arkansas: 27

They need to make it like it used to be, where you have to sit out a year if you transfer.
You don't even see this much moving around with free-agency in the NFL!

What you want violates the Sherman Antitrust Act, the federal court decision in Ohio vs NCAA, and if across a state line, the Interstate Commerce Act.

Please do your homework before you advocate for breaking the law.

 

[EverythingOrange]

What you want violates the Sherman Antitrust Act, the federal court decision in Ohio vs NCAA, and if across a state line, the Interstate Commerce Act.

Please do your homework before you advocate for breaking the law.

"Advocating for breaking the law" -- Yes, that's exactly what I was intending to do (GEEEESH!).

This is a conversational forum - not a court-room......

That's OK. Most Lawyers are dirt-bag jerks. I'd say you fit right in!.....

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

"Advocating for breaking the law" -- Yes, that's exactly what I was intending to do (GEEEESH!).

This is a conversational forum - not a court-room......

That's OK. Most Lawyers are dirt-bag jerks. I'd say you fit right in!.....

Well, the State of Tennessee joined that lawsuit most likely at the request of UT, so who are you calling "dirt bag jerks?"

 

[Delmar]

"Advocating for breaking the law" -- Yes, that's exactly what I was intending to do (GEEEESH!).

This is a conversational forum - not a court-room......

That's OK. Most Lawyers are dirt-bag jerks. I'd say you fit right in!.....

The problem is that this “conversation” has been had about 100 times and it always ends the same way. Most of the “solutions” folks come up with have already been deemed illegal and others are not feasible from a timing standpoint. No question that some changes need to be made to the portal system but nobody that I’ve seen so far has a good suggestion that will pass in the courts and that everyone involved will agree with. It’s a dilemma with no solution so far that I can see.

 

[DaddyChad]

For the most part I think Heupel and Tennessee has done a solid job keeping the players we need to keep and adding through the portal. I would argue we’ve benefited from the portal moreso than been hurt by it. Teams like Tennessee and Georgia that do a good job in retention I believe will be better off. Ole Miss kind of approaches the portal the opposite way and adds a ton of kids every year; just don’t see that as a sustainable model for ideal team chemistry and development

 

[OneVolNation]

ABR

Always Be Recruiting.

Go Vols!

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I know a lot has been said about this, already. -- Just my 2-cents worth.....

This whole "transfer portal" thing is a mess! An entire team / program can be upended just from players transferring to another school....
It's hard enough recruiting without having to re-recruit and convince current players to stay with the team.

(Things are ever-changing, and my numbers may not be exact) but, just to compare a few SEC teams:
By my count Tennessee has 12 players in the transfer portal.
LSU: 16
Kentucky: 20
Oklahoma: 24
Miss State: 25
Arkansas: 27

They need to make it like it used to be, where you have to sit out a year if you transfer.
You don't even see this much moving around with free-agency in the NFL!

Talk to the Supreme Court. They make the ruling which lead to this and I think the basic decision was correct. However, biased on what has happened in the last couple of years, some guidelines have to be established and ceilings need to be established. I also believe those limits will be initiated in the near future.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

"Advocating for breaking the law" -- Yes, that's exactly what I was intending to do (GEEEESH!).

This is a conversational forum - not a court-room......

That's OK. Most Lawyers are dirt-bag jerks. I'd say you fit right in!.....

The court room is what matters.

 

[rickyyrs]

I know a lot has been said about this, already. -- Just my 2-cents worth.....

This whole "transfer portal" thing is a mess! An entire team / program can be upended just from players transferring to another school....
It's hard enough recruiting without having to re-recruit and convince current players to stay with the team.

(Things are ever-changing, and my numbers may not be exact) but, just to compare a few SEC teams:
By my count Tennessee has 12 players in the transfer portal.
LSU: 16
Kentucky: 20
Oklahoma: 24
Miss State: 25
Arkansas: 27

They need to make it like it used to be, where you have to sit out a year if you transfer.
You don't even see this much moving around with free-agency in the NFL!

Maybe we can find some help in this bunch. Brown from KY is a pretty good kick off returner. With his speed he would be a good fit in CJH system.

 

[a vol n tears]

What you want violates the Sherman Antitrust Act, the federal court decision in Ohio vs NCAA, and if across a state line, the Interstate Commerce Act.

Please do your homework before you advocate for breaking the law.

Contracts, contracts, contracts!!!!
Cures leaving without a buyout. All coaches contracts have them.
Don’t use “scholarship” term any longer when money is paid

 

[Boston Vol]

Maybe we can find some help in this bunch. Brown from KY is a pretty good kick off returner. With his speed he would be a good fit in CJH system.

He’s already signed with LSU.

 

[Voltopia]

They need to make it like it used to be, where you have to sit out a year if you transfer.
You don't even see this much moving around with free-agency in the NFL!

They need to, but the only way they can get there now is by making the players employees and dispensing with any pretense of this being a "college sport." Make them plain old employees, playing a commercial professional sport, and get the college out of it. There are no half measures to take. If people aren't going to give the schools any leeway, then the schools have to adapt to that. Ironclad contracts. It's the only way the schools will be able to reclaim any control over the situation. The law is not going to let the schools have any authority, even though it is their system, so they have to play by the new rules until the next domino falls.

I will, of course, laugh when the schools begin trading players - as will be the right, being the holders of their players' contracts. I'll also laugh when the major "SEC" teams are made up of a few younger stars and a bunch of NFL also-rans who come back down a rung for a paycheck. After all, if they're going to be a pro sport, then there should be no half measures.

 

[ddubb76]

I know we really can’t control the “student athlete” however, what if the ncaa required all nil and transfer request be completed by a licensed rep(agent). Then the ncaa could put rules on the agents that would require them to adhere to 2 year contracts and if the agent was unable to keep his athlete at the school for 2 years, then the agent would lose his license. Also the schools could persuade agents to make better choices for their clients.

 

[Voltopia]

I know we really can’t control the “student athlete” however, what if the ncaa required all nil and transfer request be completed by a licensed rep(agent). Then the ncaa could put rules on the agents that would require them to adhere to 2 year contracts and if the agent was unable to keep his athlete at the school for 2 years, then the agent would lose his license. Also the schools could persuade agents to make better choices for their clients.

No, the "sue the school" types will just drag everything back into the courts until they get what they want, which is just another NFL. Pro sports with employees. Anything else along the way is just another lawsuit to them.

 

[s1216]

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Not a single change needs to be made. Kids need to get in the portal and get a deal before another player gets the deal. Spring practice is all that matters to a kid who is leaving one program for another. Screw your bowl game, playoff and championship. Waiting around is a waste of time that may cost you a roster spot somewhere where you can actually play. Make your move. Sionara holmes..

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

I know we really can’t control the “student athlete” however, what if the ncaa required all nil and transfer request be completed by a licensed rep(agent). Then the ncaa could put rules on the agents that would require them to adhere to 2 year contracts and if the agent was unable to keep his athlete at the school for 2 years, then the agent would lose his license. Also the schools could persuade agents to make better choices for their clients.

No agent or player would like that. It would only serve to give power and control over the kids lives back to 'AA. In retrospect, the first half of your first sentence turned out to be quite a doozy...

 

[Voltopia]

Meanwhile, Diego Pavia got his preliminary injunction against the NCAA and his lawyers put out this statement -

"While the Court’s ruling does not restrict where Diego can play next season, he loves Vanderbilt and Coach Lea,” Downton said in the statement. “So long as he receives an appropriate NIL package, I expect to see him in the black and gold for as long as he has eligibility remaining and Jerry Kill and Tim Beck are coaching in Nashville.”

Already putting the squeeze on the Dore donors. Anchor Down, amirite?

But even more telling is the court's ruling. Quoting from an article on the judgment -

In Wednesday’s ruling, the court shot down all of the NCAA’s arguments for its rules around eligibility. Such rules, the NCAA contends, preserve the character and uniqueness of college, create open opportunities for future athletes, and prevent age and experience disparities among athletes.

So a demonstrative statement against any eligibility restrictions. No more freshman, no nothing, just people you randomly bring in to play until they're tired of doing it. As I said earlier, washed up dudes in their 30s strapping in. Woo.

How stupid. How appropriately stupid.

 

[IndianaVol]

First, close the portal until AFTER all the games have been played unless the player is on a team where the coachnis replaced, and even then it's only open for a set number of days after a new coach is named.

Second, only one portal window. You pick a program, you're there a year.

 

[Mccage]

The problem is that this “conversation” has been had about 100 times and it always ends the same way. Most of the “solutions” folks come up with have already been deemed illegal and others are not feasible from a timing standpoint. No question that some changes need to be made to the portal system but nobody that I’ve seen so far has a good suggestion that will pass in the courts and that everyone involved will agree with. It’s a dilemma with no solution so far that I can see.

Schools could go on the honor system….just say no to transfers….im sure Bama would lead the pack!!

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

First, close the portal until AFTER all the games have been played unless the player is on a team where the coachnis replaced, and even then it's only open for a set number of days after a new coach is named.

Second, only one portal window. You pick a program, you're there a year.

Why would you want a kid to miss spring practice at his new school waiting on a 75 team playoff to finish playing out...

They already get 30 days after a coaching change....

One portal window per calendar year is unnecessarily restrictive. Limits mobility. Seems to not suit the players at all.

 

[Delmar]

Schools could go on the honor system….just say no to transfers….im sure Bama would lead the pack!!

Yeah that’s the ticket. We can trust Lane Kiffin every day to do the right thing.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

The court room is what matters.

Talk to the Supreme Court. They make the ruling which lead to this and I think the basic decision was correct. However, biased on what has happened in the last couple of years, some guidelines have to be established and ceilings need to be established. I also believe those limits will be initiated in the near future.

You are apparently in love with false generalizations about attorneys to go with your dislike of the law.

Contracts, contracts, contracts!!!!
Cures leaving without a buyout. All coaches contracts have them.
Don’t use “scholarship” term any longer when money is paid

Contracts can't violate the law.
The scholarship is a contract and it ends as soon as the athlete goes in the portal or drops out of school. There is no enforceable buyout to the school because the school doesn't pay the players.

Scholarships? Not using the term would be in denial of reality.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

First, close the portal until AFTER all the games have been played unless the player is on a team where the coachnis replaced, and even then it's only open for a set number of days after a new coach is named.

Second, only one portal window. You pick a program, you're there a year.

Not viable. You can't have a double standard for registering at a new school for transfers.

The one portal window and forcing a transfer to stay for a year violates the Sherman Antitrust Act and the judicial ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case.