Department of Government Efficiency - DOGE

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jwells said:
What's the point? You posted 2 things.
TN underfunds. TN underperforms states that fund higher.
All states saw drops from Covid, regardless of overall funding. Because that's seat-time not daily spend.
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Weird because the highest funded schools are typically the worst performing.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
At least take them out of the federal bucket. They should be funded by the people they represent and nobody else. Let each state decide if they want to pay pensions or not.
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This eggsackly. Also include all of their expenses. You want to fly first class? Have your electorate pay for it!
 
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Vol8188 said:
Is your ability to work subjective or objective? If the answer is subjective, then yes you can 100% get welfare despite a personal choice not to work
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In working with the homeless and those on gov't assistance, I've seen all too many cases where positive drug tests == addiction == 'unable to work', so they go on the taxpayer's dime. So, the unintended consequence of this gov't program is that working class citizens are being taxed to pay for people to sit around and do drugs.

www.thefreedomcenter.com

Is Drug Addiction a Disability? See Why or Why Not

Addiction is debilitating and affects a person's independence as much as blindness or loss of a limb. But s drug addiction a disability?
www.thefreedomcenter.com www.thefreedomcenter.com
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Orange_Crush said:
In working with the homeless and those on gov't assistance, I've seen all too many cases where positive drug tests == addiction == 'unable to work', so they go on the taxpayer's dime. So, the unintended consequence of this gov't program is that working class citizens are being taxed to pay for people to sit around and do drugs.

www.thefreedomcenter.com

Is Drug Addiction a Disability? See Why or Why Not

Addiction is debilitating and affects a person's independence as much as blindness or loss of a limb. But s drug addiction a disability?
www.thefreedomcenter.com www.thefreedomcenter.com
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You’ll also see a lot of intentionally underemployed people. The person who works 20 hours a week at a gas station when every factory in town is hiring
 
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jwells said:
TN is a welfare queen.
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The person who tells us how important federal spending is, also mocks us for taking in federal spending.

What a weird world view that has to be.

“We must fund the schools, feed the kids, pay for your college, etc”

Also…..”you’re a sorry welfare queen if you take this money!”
 
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Vol8188 said:
The person who tells us how important federal spending is, also mocks us for taking in federal spending.

What a weird world view that has to be.

“We must fund the schools, feed the kids, pay for your college, etc”

Also…..”you’re a sorry welfare queen if you take this money!”
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I'm mocking, yes. Mocking the idea that people arguing we can't fund education also have no problem ignoring that TN, and overwhelmingly "red" states rely on the Federal government.
 
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jwells said:
I'm mocking, yes. Mocking the idea that people arguing we can't fund education also have no problem ignoring that TN, and overwhelmingly "red" states rely on the Federal government.
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Red and Blue are just different sides of the same power-hungry governmental system. It's up to us to take off our color-shaded glasses, stop buying each party's tee shirts and lies, and enforce common sense boundaries.

Just look at you. Your Blue affections have you carrying water for your side, and arguing for increases in the policies that have been demonstrably failing. The gov't literally can't pass audits on what they are doing with our money. They hide more things from us every day. And you're wanting to give them more problems to solve, thus more power to exert, and more money to take to do it.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Read up. We're still in trouble now. That's the point. The rallying cry now is, "What chance do those poor kids have now since they are not recovering?" Here's from an article from June 2024:

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This is interesting... In spite of billions of dollars of federal money SINCE COVID, the dumbing down of American kids is worsening.


www.usatoday.com

American students are losing ground in reading and math as COVID relief dollars run dry

New research published Tuesday shows eighth graders are a full year behind in reading and math four years after the start of the COVID pandemic.
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And... That's the entire point of the discussion. The federal moneys buy federal policy into state education.

The federal government basically paid schools to close in much the same way that they took federal tax money and paid businesses to close while paying for their employees not to work.
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You really miss the point here....it's SEAT TIME that led to the drop. Kids can't possibly pass the 4th grade test if they're lacking 1.5 years of formative skills. You don't just catch that up. Notice how much parents freaked about kids having to stay back if they weren't ready in TN.

What federal policy is infecting Tennessee schools? The federal government doesn't make curriculum or standards.
 
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jwells said:
I'm mocking, yes. Mocking the idea that people arguing we can't fund education also have no problem ignoring that TN, and overwhelmingly "red" states rely on the Federal government.
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The “red states” you’re mocking by are disproportionately the blackest states in this country. Feels a little sus to call black states “welfare queens”.

But on top of that, it’s fully insane to promote the welfare and simultaneously mock the recipients of that welfare.

The only defense I can offer is that you’ve probably put little thought into how absurd this is and likely red it on a meme. What some would call “bumper sticker logic”. Things that almost make sense, if you refuse to ever think about it
 
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Vol8188 said:
School…food…huh?

Not the role of the parent, not the role of other random government agencies, but specifically of schools?

Explain. My job requires me to show up. Should they be forced to provide lunch?

And anyone who disagrees with you is a bad person?
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Get back to me with the kids draw a salary.

I think if you think feeding kids is wrong, it's a wrongheaded take, and likely a reflection on you as a person and teacher. Feeding hungry kids should not be even remotely an issue.

But to the point: when your job sends you to a conference to learn....they feed you.
 
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jwells said:
I'm mocking, yes. Mocking the idea that people arguing we can't fund education also have no problem ignoring that TN, and overwhelmingly "red" states rely on the Federal government.
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We're arguing who *should* fund education, while pointing out that the ones we've entrusted to do so have been failing.
 
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utvolpj said:
But let's face it, some parents absolutely suck. The after school care we're involved with is the only place many kids get a meal and school work help. They get meals and snacks on Friday to help them make it thru the weekend. Holidays and summer are especially hard since there's no real schedule and you know they're not eating well. I've also instructed my kids to pay attention and if any of their friends are denied full lunch due to money then they are to buy it for them. Has happened a couple of times that I know of because my kids let us know (they were worried we would be upset).

I'm not sure I'm in favor of feeding them all but there's something to said for having them all in one place with capable facilities. This is one I struggle with quite often
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We donate to the backpack program at a couple elementary schools.
 
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#395
The "give kids public money to finance their private church school" (Lemon test, anyone) and the "don't feed kids at school with federal money" people are the same and that's wild.
 
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jwells said:
The "give kids public money to finance their private church school" (Lemon test, anyone) and the "don't feed kids at school with federal money" people are the same and that's wild.
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You may want to give examples, unless you're just wanting to broad-brush folks in lieu of debate.
 
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jwells said:
I'm mocking, yes. Mocking the idea that people arguing we can't fund education also have no problem ignoring that TN, and overwhelmingly "red" states rely on the Federal government.
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This is almost entirely irrelevant to the point anyone has been trying to make. Does your brain actually function? The question is who should be funding it and all anyone has done is show you how ****** a job the fed does.
 
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jwells said:
Get back to me with the kids draw a salary.

I think if you think feeding kids is wrong, it's a wrongheaded take, and likely a reflection on you as a person and teacher. Feeding hungry kids should not be even remotely an issue.

But to the point: when your job sends you to a conference to learn....they feed you.
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This is incredibly short-sighted and one more example of you trying to misrepresent people in lieu of good-faith debate. The folks that don't think it's the Federal gov't or school systems' job to feed kids aren't saying that they hope kids go hungry. They're generally saying that there are better avenues to get it done, that would be better uses of the money, thus would feed MORE kids. We're also noting the unintended consequences of such gov't programs that promote MORE kids living in poverty.

Note the misrepresentation:

Orange_Crush said:
We have a couple of generations of families that are locked into generational poverty, in large part because our federal government pays them to live in poverty. The federal welfare system is designed to get people INTO poverty, not get them out.

If they don't work, we pay them. If they have more kids, we pay them more. If there is no father in the house, we pay them more.

We literally incentivize people to break up families and have more kids than they can support, then use the argument, "The gov't needs more of your tax dollars to feed the hungry kids that your tax dollars are incentivizing."
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You can read something like the above.
Orange_Crush said:
I am not a fan of socialism. The government spending someone else's money to fix someone else's problem is the LEAST EFFICIENT form of spent money. It wastes resources on bureaucratic overhead. It has people who don't value the money, spending it on solutions that generally don't benefit them.

The most efficient form of spent money is when someone spends their own money on problems that affect them and those they love. In that case, they get the most for their money.

Asking the gov't to fix these things is like asking a stranger to buy you a car. You end up paying $9,000 for an old Chevy Chevette, giving the stranger a $1000 finder's fee, and wondering why you're walking to work.

I am a huge fan of volunteerism. Since you feel it the role of schools to feed kids, voluntarily give your money to feed the kids. Call the IRS up and ask them to earmark a larger % of your income to fund school meals. (But a better solution would be to organize a private charity to take donations and feed kids. Everyone would have more money to give to that if the feds would stop taking all of our money while they fail audits as to where it's all gone.)
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And that one...

Both of which agree that kids should eat, but hope for better ways of doing so. Yet, you continue to play the "those who disagree with me hate kids and are greedy enough to watch them starve. Evil bitches..." card.
 
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jwells said:
And how were poor children fed? Federal money.
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If you’re praising the notion that poor children were feed through food stamps, then you don’t understand the history of food stamps.

Food stamps came about due to an over abundance of food and the ignorance of FDR
 
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