2024 Presidential Race

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BreatheUT said:
You are becoming more crazed the more you post in the Ukraine thread.

If Trump can attempt to clean-up DC by 1% then we're headed in the right direction.
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just like he did the first time when he left Big Pharma in charge of this country?

and I got some bad news for you. I was posting in the OG Ukraine thread, long before it was cool.
 
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LouderVol said:
1. No trump does not have our backs. he is a grifter like all the others. the only difference is he tells you to your face he is a grifter, and you think that makes him different somehow.
2. the second part of the bolded statement disproves the first part. It shows that this is about Party for you, and not actually Trump being a good candidate. especially as you guys have talked some strong crap about all the anti Trump "RINOs"
3. this is more like the football team rallying around Cuba Gooding Jr's Radio.
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Yes it is 💯 about Party. How could it be otherwise when one party is totally committed to killing the unborn, the celebration of every form of sexual deviancy being paraded before children, endless foreign wars, economic foolishness, the abandonment of Israel, the coddling of terrorists, forced vaccination, absolute censorship of the opposition, the weaponization of the justice system against it’s enemies, the total invasion of our nation by unvetted illegal immigrants,!and the regulation of every single decision in our lives from what kind of stove we use to the type of car we can purchase.
How could any SANE person not support the party that is trying to defeat all of the above? Anyone who follows the news and continues to support the democrat party is knowingly committing intellectual and moral suicide.
 
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volinbham said:
real wages rose under his watch - particularly for those at the middle and lower end of the wage scale
the income gap was reduced
ISIS was largely defeated
the regulatory framework was reduced significantly
unemployment was at historic low levels
flow of illegal immigrants was greatly reduced

just a few that pop in my head.

I'm not voting for him but to say nothing was accomplished isn't a realistic view. Even a comment like "worthless wall" shows you aren't making a semi-objective assessment. If you don't like him I get it but that doesn't create a new fact set.
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You are handing Trump a lot of credit others did or was going to happen anyway.
I guess you are a Bernie Sanders fan as well.
ISIS just headed down a hole before Trump.
Regulatory Framework --- Seriously grasping
Unemployment even under Biden as well
Immigration --- Changed with a stroke of a pen so nothing accomplished. Trump could not get Legislation through Congress.
The wall was worthless and poorly built. Loosen screws and walk in. Ignored the Tunnels.
All verifiable facts --- Division in the Republican Party especially when some are endorsing Harris. Pathetic.
Trump's own words are verifiable. They are either facts, lies, or intent. People's interpretation and beliefs are the problem. Real simple "The Hattians (illegal immigrants) in Ohio are Eating the Cats and Dogs easy verified and debunk. One of many moves to stir the pot.

Just a few more head popping. Trump's major accomplishments were brain washing and branding with little substance and the results were simply put division within America and the Republican party.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yes it is 💯 about Party. How could it be otherwise when one party is totally committed to killing the unborn, Then lets see something enshrining the rights of the unborn. until then its just another talking point to divide us, not an actual principle they care about the celebration of every form of sexual deviancy being paraded before children, Because Trump is someone who has never dalied in sexual deviances? endless foreign wars, This is rich coming from the Party of Bush, and Trump being unable to end the one war he claimed he was going to end. economic foolishness, Trump spent more in his first term than Obama did, and he is promising to spend more than Biden has in his second. the abandonment of Israel, considering our financial issues you mentioned about, all foreign aid needs to be abandoned the coddling of terrorists, one of the things with Trump not having new wars is that means he isn't fighting terrorists. in fact he calling off the drone raids on terrorists was seen as a positive. but I guess that is different because Trump forced vaccination, Trump put Fauci in charge and went golfing while Big Pharma ran this country absolute censorship of the opposition, Trump hasn't been kind to the opposition either the weaponization of the justice system against it’s enemies, lock her up the total invasion of our nation by unvetted illegal immigrants, Trump was in charge and got nothing pushed thru Congress to make big changes. no reason to think round two will be any different !and the regulation of every single decision in our lives from what kind of stove we use to the type of car we can purchase.
How could any SANE person not support the party that is trying to defeat all of the above? Anyone who follows the news and continues to support the democrat party is knowingly committing intellectual and moral suicide.
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any sane person knows they are just the two sides of the same coin. Trump was a life long Democrat for a reason.

you somehow forgot to mention his unconstitutional attacks on personal property rights and the 2A. that's pretty important to me. neither Biden nor Obama got to that level of reducing our rights.
 
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LouderVol said:
any sane person knows they are just the two sides of the same coin. Trump was a life long Democrat for a reason.

you somehow forgot to mention his unconstitutional attacks on personal property rights and the 2A. that's pretty important to me. neither Biden nor Obama got to that level of reducing our rights.
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I see your point. The way it ultimately breaks down for me is: the Republican Party, whoever the nominee is, gives me about 70% of what I want. The democrat party gives me 100% of everything I oppose.
The enemy of the good is the perfect and if I waited for the perfect candidate for which to vote, I would never vote for anyone.
When evil is on the ballot, I have to vote against it, even if the alternative isn’t everything I want
 
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LouderVol said:
no the worst thing was giving Trump the attention he desired. He has always been a little kid throwing a tantrum. he's not really upset about the border, or whatever talking point of the day is, he just wants your attention. The people voting for him, I can excuse, if you are voting for the guy you should pay attention to him. if you aren't voting for him, you should have just ignored him, and let the tantrum wear itself out. instead you just added into it, feeding it more and more, and now you are sitting there wondering how it got so bad after you gave Trump exactly what he wanted.

seriously ALL of the anti-Trump rhetoric is what is keeping Trump relevant. yeah he would have some base, 15-20% of the population. but the more he was attacked, the more people were going to see him in a positive light. "he is one of us", "I feel slighted by the establishment/Dems too", "I thought the Dems were better".
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It's a little bit like the chicken or the egg conundrum.

When trump first entered the race in 2016, most viewed it as a joke.
Very few people took him seriously.
It was the shocking realization that there were actually people supporting him, that led to him getting attention.
 
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LouderVol said:
any sane person knows they are just the two sides of the same coin. Trump was a life long Democrat for a reason.

you somehow forgot to mention his unconstitutional attacks on personal property rights and the 2A. that's pretty important to me. neither Biden nor Obama got to that level of reducing our rights.
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I was a democrat so I'm not sure your comment has relevance. I'm not a republican either. The Republican party should have a set of core values but it should not be a monolith; however, the democrat party is an everything else party. No set of core values.
 
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luthervol said:
I've always been an advocate for the mentality ill.
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That is the problem, the mentality ill like yourself run not only uncontrolled but encouraged by other mentality ill people. Unchecked mentality illness is pure evil. I show empathy to the mentality ill, which is why I have been very patience with you. Luther this is the reality you have created, which is why your hatred of people that don't vote the way you is so great. Let's be honest, you want them all taken out.
 
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U.S. economy added just 12,000 jobs in October, impacted by hurricanes, Boeing strike​


Job creation in October slowed to its weakest pace since late 2020 as the impacts of storms in the Southeast and a significant labor impasse dented the employment picture.

Nonfarm payrolls increased by 12,000 for the month, down sharply from September and below the Dow Jones estimate for 100,000, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Friday. In what had already been expected to be a downbeat report, October posted the smallest gain since December 2020.



 
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luthervol said:
It's a little bit like the chicken or the egg conundrum.

When trump first entered the race in 2016, most viewed it as a joke.
Very few people took him seriously.
It was the shocking realization that there were actually people supporting him, that led to him getting attention.
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I bet it is REALLY shocking that it has went from some people supporting him to today in which there is a decent chance that he may win a majority of votes.
 
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