Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[rikberry31]

If you take concussions into account, then Soccer is the most dangerous. The media narrative skews reality. The MOST dangerous thing you can let them do is DRiVE, but no one clutches pearls over that.

Yes siree. getting into or on a motor vehicle is by far the most dangerous thing we do and we do it a lot.

 

[volbeast33]

Go Vols!

 

[Orange_Crush]

DBLPost

 

[volbeast33]

I always wanted to parlay props, probably why I wasnt good. ML betting in the NFL is probably the best for me. Spread bets in pro sports are terrible.

@Jackcrevol

Now that I am thinking about it… I won money line bets or -3 bets in the NFL…. probably 95% plus or more.

 

[vol9799]

My son is 5’7 150 pounds but fairly strong for his age…He can hold his own against most but some of those kids are huge.

150lbs is truly undersized. But smarts, determination, good technique and strong core evens the playing field a lot. The tough thing is watching them take on a truly talented and motivated 280+ lb DT.

 

[Go Fight Win]

Game week baby!!!

 

[Devo182]

An Announcement from Nicksjuzunk:

For the past several weeks, I have been contemplating what I have given to the Recruiting Forum Pregame/Game Threads for all of these years. As I reflected, and I am no dummy, I know that my performance has declined in recent years. I've lost a step... maybe two... especially since I have moved from Thailand and have reintegrated into society. What was once born of passion and love had become more obligation and drudgery as I went from sifting through piles of statistics and analysis to more general keys to victory that felt more or less the same, week after week. I had to ask myself, "Have I given MY ALL, and there is nothing left to give?" Perhaps it was time to hang up my fingers and let the next generation of dream architects take up the task of offering up completely biased, unbiased game analysis each week.

Having given this much hard thought and after discussing this with my wife, I have decided that I will continue in my role as thread starter for football games this season. This was not an easy decision for me to come to. It is tough to accept decline and age and the inevitable slide into mediocrity as father time beats down upon me day after day. I am not the man that I once was, but I hope to still have something to offer to the forum. How can I, after so many years away from Knoxville, have returned, only to abandon our community in their time of need? My fear is that my performance may degrade too much over time that I can't see the writing on the wall and that Freak will disable my account out of disgust. The love of the game can keep you in the game too long, and what was once beloved becomes tolerated, and even despised at worst. Although "my all" is not as much as it once was, I will once again give my all to the recruiting forum again this season. Trot me out... let's go.

LFG!!


And @frank deleting your account out of disgust made me lol

 

[volinexile17]

How many football players have died on the field from taking a hit? Genuine question, I can't think of any.

Damar Hamlin nearly died a couple years ago. Think there was a WR in the 70s who died on the field. Eddie LeGrand at Rutgers nearly died and is now paralyzed.

I’m sure there are more, but it doesn’t seem to happen to often. Think there have been way more deaths from over exertion. When that kid at Maryland died, think I remember reading something like more than 20 college players had died in the last 15-20 years from heat stroke, etc.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Triple overtime game:

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[Orange_Crush]

Important notes about the CTE study referenced:

What are its limitations?​

The researchers note that the brains they examined are anything but random. In many cases, the signs and symptoms of CTE the players displayed while alive led family members to donate their bodies for study. So it’s impossible to tell what the exact prevalence of CTE is in football players (as well as in the general population) from this study alone.

What’s next?​

Scientists still don’t completely understand why some players get CTE and others don’t, or what kind of impacts it takes to trigger the disease’s onset. Understanding this could help shape how football is played going forward.

 

[knoxvol52]

How many football players have died on the field from taking a hit? Genuine question, I can't think of any.

Did I say on the field? NO .

 

[UTSuave’]

How many football players have died on the field from taking a hit? Genuine question, I can't think of any.

Obviously not a bills fan

 

[UTSuave’]

Did I say on the field? NO .

He’s not counting high schools obviously

 

[VolsFan-TX]

How many football players have died on the field from taking a hit? Genuine question, I can't think of any.

An Alabama high school (Morgan Academy) QB suffered a significant head injury during Friday night's game and died on Saturday.

 

[rikberry31]

If you take concussions into account, then Soccer is the most dangerous. The media narrative skews reality. The MOST dangerous thing you can let them do is DRiVE, but no one clutches pearls over that.

Yes siree. getting into or on a motor vehicle is by far the most dangerous thing we do and we do it a lot.

 

[jave36]

Obviously not a bills fan

He didn't technically die lol. And they said with his heart condition a bump on the subway could have triggered the same thing. So I can't blame football haha

 

[BigSteve09]

Let me know when/if the 1st Quarter number is posted

 

[jave36]

Did I say on the field? NO .

Ummmm, yes you did lol

 

[UTSuave’]

He didn't technically die lol. And they said with his heart condition a bump on the subway could have triggered the same thing. So I can't blame football haha

Bruv…I’m just javing you this morning…I promise it’s Monday and there’s still 5 days left until kickoff I’m bored.

 

[volbeast33]

Cool.

I wasn't speaking to any individual case; just the opposite. I'm curious as to what statistics indicate that baseball is more dangerous than football. Is it simply a comparison of sprained knees? Or does it include parental concerns that one day their kid will grow up to have an associative syndrome where they beat the hell out of their wife and kids and then kill themselves. (ETA) I saw a study where something like 110 out of 111 NFL player brains that were studied had signs of CTE.

If true, that's fairly startling. (/ETA) One can call those concerns simple "societal pearl clutching", or one can call that "active parenting". And if one is going to bring statistics into the conversation, that should probably be part of the conversation.

No worries.

One of the most interesting studies I have seen….looked at how former NFL players compared to the rest of society.
The study showed that NFL players were very similar to the rest of society in:
1. Violence
2. Domestic Violence
3. Suicide
The items that were increased due to the contact sport:
1.Headaches
2. Memory Loss
3. Early onset dementia was 10-12% more likely
4. Alzheimer’s/Dementia

 

[rikberry31]

OK. Thx.

I never caught AIDS, but I still encouraged my kids not to have unprotected sex or share needles.

Did those statistics include CTE? (I'm not trying to be an ***, but I thought we were discussing statistics as opposed to anecdotes.)

I'm not judging anyone who either lets or prohibits their kids from playing football. And I know we're on a football fandom message board, so we want all the super-talented kids playing football to grow and better the sport... I get it. But CTE looks to be a real thing with horrible and tragic effects on people and families. I'm not sure that underselling its dangers is the way forward.

Looks like over 99% of former NFLers have it, and 87% of (nebulous) "former football players" have it...? (ETS: See below post for caveat.)

All the stats I have seen point to the fact that CTE is not an issue with "recreational" football players or those who don't play as a profession or into adulthood. It is the repeated punishment that is the risk just like boxers becoming punchy. I feel that if you choose football as profession today you are doing with eyes wide open and it is your choice to take the risk. As far as kids playing football, risk is much lower if not negligible. The violence of the collisions at the highest levels of football is off the charts when compared to youth football.
And as my Daddy used to say, "Anything perfectly safe is perfectly useless."

 

[Orange_Crush]

One of the most interesting studies I have seen….looked at how former NFL players compared to the rest of society.
The study showed that NFL players were very similar to the rest of society in:
1. Violence
2. Domestic Violence
3. Suicide
The items that were increased due to the contact sport:
1.Headaches
2. Memory Loss
3. Early onset dementia was 10-12% more likely
4. Alzheimer’s/Dementia

Huge study here is tying CTE to young players and the effects of non-college/NFL football players. In other words, it looks like CTE begins after relatively short times playing. It's not like you have to play through an NFL career to get it.

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CTE in young donors​

CTE is an Alzheimer’s-like disease has been most commonly associated with former professional football players, but has also been detected in military veterans, including many who have been exposed to roadside bombs and other types of military blasts.

Previous studies have shown that repetitive hits to the head — even without concussion — can result in CTE.

Most of the donors analyzed in this recent study played football (60%), followed by soccer (15%) and ice hockey (10%). Other sports included in the study that resulted in CTE diagnosis are amateur wrestling, rugby and professional wrestling.

The donors’ ages at the time of death ranged from 13 to 29 years old. The youngest person diagnosed with CTE in the study was a 17-year-old high school football player, McKee told CNN.

Brain donors who died before they reached 30 were selected to minimize any contribution from age-related conditions, the study authors said.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/16/health/race-to-reform-alzheimers-disease-diagnosis
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/16/health/race-to-reform-alzheimers-disease-diagnosis
With new therapies that promise to slow Alzheimer’s disease, researchers race to reform how patients are diagnosed
Because a majority of the CTE samples previously evaluated came from older adults, looking at younger brains can provide an important perspective, said Dr. Julie Stamm, a clinical assistant professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison who was not involved with the new study.

“As people get older, there are age-related neurodegenerative changes, and just general degenerative changes that are happening,” Stamm said. “So, looking at the younger brains gives the ability to look at the CTE pathology without all of these other comorbid pathologies.”

Another important facet of the study is that amateur athletes comprised 71.4% of those diagnosed with CTE.

Of the 48 donors diagnosed with CTE who played football, 37 were amateur football players and 11 played for the NFL. Position played made no difference in developing CTE, but those who played longer were more likely to be diagnosed with the disease. On average, those that had CTE played football for 2.8 years longer than those that didn’t develop the disease.

 

[volbeast33]

I’m driving 5 hours to and from my son’s college visit…. then 3.5 hours to Tennessee on Friday…. Can’t wait!!

Game week baby!!!

 

[volbeast33]

Huge study here is tying CTE to young players and the effects of non-college/NFL football players. In other words, it looks like CTE begins after relatively short times playing. It's not like you have to play through an NFL career to get it.

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The key is actually figuring out what CTE causes… An Illinois study showed that 9% of all contact sports athletes in that particular study had CTE. It showed that non-athletes/military had 3% CTE.

 

[Orange_Crush]

All the stats I have seen point to the fact that CTE is not an issue with "recreational" football players or those who don't play as a profession or into adulthood. It is the repeated punishment that is the risk just like boxers becoming punchy. I feel that if you choose football as profession today you are doing with eyes wide open and it is your choice to take the risk. As far as kids playing football, risk is much lower if not negligible. The violence of the collisions at the highest levels of football is off the charts when compared to youth football.
And as my Daddy used to say, "Anything perfectly safe is perfectly useless."

Study quoted above doesn't indicate that. It actually indicates that the effects start young and your chances of getting it doubles every 2.6 years of playing. So, naturally NFL players will have a higher statistical chance of getting it, but that doesn't mean the effects are relegated to NFL careers. Think of that. You play through 4 years of middle school and your chances quadrupled. You play four years of high school and your chances quadrupled. You play through junior college, and your chances more double again.

As researchers continue to conduct more research on how repetitive head impacts affect the brain, particularly in younger people, Stamm said there is no evidence that suggests exposure to impacts at a younger age increases the risk for developing CTE.

“If somebody had 5,000 lifetime impacts from age 8 to 18 versus 5,000 lifetime impacts from age 14 to 24, their risk would be the same,” Stamm said.

However, when someone begins playing football as a young child and continues to play through adulthood, that is when their risk of developing the disease increases, Stamm said, adding that “total cumulative lifetime exposure to repetitive brain trauma is the greatest risk factor for CTE.”

McKee adds that the longer someone plays football, in particular, their risk of developing CTE doubles every 2.6 years.

It's kind of like smoking. Naturally you have more chance of cancer, etc if you smoke for 30 years. But that doesn't mean it's safe for kids to smoke. And it would be wrong to then say that smoking is *statistically* less dangerous than baseball since smokers pull their groin muscle less often than baseball players, and since we saw a baseball player get hit in the face one time.

And it's specifically not about how "violent" the collisions are. CTE is not about how many concussions you get. It's about repeated less-than-concussed contacts to the head.