Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[Orangeburst]

Indeed you could. I have one such poster I ignore. First time i have ever used that feature.

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[hUTch2002]

You are the first person to say "direct democracy" in this convo, whatever that means.

Just walk it back. I know it's hard to do when you've already acted like a smartass, but you all were correcting people for correctly using "democracy." and it's time to take your lumps like a man who cares about truth.

You’re hilarious. We are not a democracy. Period.

 

[hUTch2002]

Huff from the top rope?

Nope. Words actually have meaning. If we were a democracy then it would be popular vote. I never said democracy isn’t a part of our gig but we’re not a democracy. Apparently that popped his g-string.

 

[825VOL]

We are a Constitutional Republic.

This means that our system of government is bound by a constitution. This allows us to have both "rule of law" and protection of minority rights

We do practice a form of democracy in or election of representatives (never say leaders), This allows the people a say in their government but in no way makes us a democracy.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

A different perspective is that this statement violates the terms of the contract to which she voluntarily agreed when she took the job.

I have not seen the contract she signed. Do you have a link?

Minors are disciplined, suspended, and forfeit scholarships for saying far less, including making innocent remarks with no ill intentions.

So? That doesn't mean it is right in either case.

Those of us in the teaching profession know that we can be held accountable for making remarks that offend community standards.

And just shows how ridiculous our country has gotten. "I'm offended... I'm going to get you fired..."

Actions have consequences.

I'm all for proportional consequences.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Really? WTF is this "ass*ssination "? The algorithm on X blocks that word?

Musk needs to get that fixed.

 

[RockyTop85]

Nope. Words actually have meaning. If we were a democracy then it would be popular vote. I never said democracy isn’t a part of our gig but we’re not a democracy. Apparently that popped his g-string.

Words do have meaning, you’re just refusing to acknowledge the proper meaning of democracy.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

These people should have their driver's license revoked.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

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Who are you replying to? I can't see their post.

 

[85SugarVol]

This is a failure from the top down. (Tl/dr)

1. The overall risk assessment was flawed. RFK had no detail based on historical precedent and I will bet the size of Trump's detail is based on prior precedent. RFK isnt Jill Stein and Trump isnt Mitt Romney. The fact that campaigns are asking for more resources is not a good sign the risk analyses are fluid.

2. The local plan that day (signed off by Field Office + supervisor) was flawed. Safe to say that.

3. Staffing is an issue. Per CBS, they had a 48% departure rate last year. Washington Post says most agents have less than 3 years experience. Employee engagement scores last year were worst in SS history, had historically low rates for opinion on leadership, and in the bottom 10% of all federal agencies.

4. Jill Biden and Kamala had separate rallies in PA Saturday. Joe was in nearby Delaware. RNC began Monday.

Ultimately, the buck stops with Cheatle. This wasnt a highly trained operative that hit a lucky shot from the fringes of a perimeter. She is respsonsible for the risk analysis, her direct reports approved the site plan on 7/13, she is responsible for hiring, retaining, and creating a work environment for her Dept. She clearly has no idea what is going on now and exudes no confidence. You layer this on with 4 high risk targets in relatively small area and you have recipe for disaster...

There is no way she should have a job and her continued employment is just a major sign that Biden is too impaired to do his job. Cheatle and Mayorkas needs to be fired ans Kamala needs to get the rest of the cabinet to invoke the 25th....

The fact that Cheatle has the job of Director of the Secret Service, because Jill F’n Biden pushed for her, is beyond unacceptable - and very much in step with this Administration.

 

[hUTch2002]

Words do have meaning, you’re just refusing to acknowledge the proper meaning of democracy.

Is that right RT? If we are a democracy that must mean we elect POTUS by popular vote, right?

 

[LadyVolette]

What I can’t figure with these kids is there are so many ways to accomplish this and be able to live to see it . He had to have know there was zero chance of having an exit strategy after he pulls the trigger being on that roof . It’s almost a guarantee that it will be death by cop.

They want to be famous/infamous.. we can’t understand their thought processes because we’re not mentally ill

 

[RockyTop85]

Is that right RT? If we are a democracy that must mean we elect POTUS by popular vote, right?

No. Electoral college is just another form of democratically elected representative. Just like your congressperson.

Look up the definition of democracy and stop beclowning yourself.

 

[85SugarVol]

Pay. Bad leadership. Having to do more with less.

I’m guessing superfluous, non-value add “training”, in place of actual mission-critical training also plays a part in the incredibly low numbers….

 

[Smallvol#1]

Which is different than a direct democracy. Nothing wrong with special teams by the way.

Adjectives and nouns. There is a difference…unless one is so sure of themselves that ”I think” is the final determination of everything. You’re fighting a losing battle here @hUTch2002.

 

[hUTch2002]

No. Electoral college is just another form of democratically elected representative. Just like your congressperson.

Look up the definition of democracy and stop beclowning yourself.

Seen it. I never said we aren’t a democratic republic but I made one snarky comment about Obama and it sure sent huff off the rails. I’m glad you came to his rescue though. Calling us just a democracy is leaving out an important word. It’s that simple.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Rightwing cancel culture...

LOL Yeah. right.

 

[RockyTop85]

Seen it. I never said we aren’t a democratic republic but I made one snarky comment about Obama and it sure sent huff off the rails. I’m glad you came to his rescue though. Calling us just a democracy is leaving out an important word. It’s that simple.

Merriam Webster:​

democracy​

noun​

de·moc·ra·cy di-ˈmä-krə-sē

plural democracies
Synonyms of democracy
1
a
: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Black’s Law Dictionary:
That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

Encyclopedia Britannica:
democracy, Form of government in which supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodic free elections. In a direct democracy, the public participates in government directly (as in some ancient Greek city-states, some New England town meetings, and some cantons in modern Switzerland). Most democracies today are representative. The concept of representative democracy arose largely from ideas and institutions that developed during the European Middle Ages and the Enlightenment and in the American and French Revolutions. Democracy has come to imply universal suffrage, competition for office, freedom of speech and the press, and the rule of law. See also republic.

 

[hUTch2002]

Adjectives and nouns. There is a difference…unless one is so sure of themselves that ”I think” is the final determination of everything. You’re fighting a losing battle here @hUTch2002.

Nah. Just having fun with people that have zero sense of humor whatsoever.

 

[hUTch2002]

Merriam Webster:​

democracy​

noun​

de·moc·ra·cy di-ˈmä-krə-sē

plural democracies
Synonyms of democracy
1
a
: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Black’s Law Dictionary:
That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

Encyclopedia Britannica:
democracy, Form of government in which supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodic free elections. In a direct democracy, the public participates in government directly (as in some ancient Greek city-states, some New England town meetings, and some cantons in modern Switzerland). Most democracies today are representative. The concept of representative democracy arose largely from ideas and institutions that developed during the European Middle Ages and the Enlightenment and in the American and French Revolutions. Democracy has come to imply universal suffrage, competition for office, freedom of speech and the press, and the rule of law. See also republic.

Hilarious. I knew you would post something really long. Ah, so you’re saying we’re a democratic republic. Why didn’t you just say so?

 

[825VOL]

Merriam Webster:​

democracy​

noun​

de·moc·ra·cy di-ˈmä-krə-sē

plural democracies
Synonyms of democracy
1
a
: government by the people
especially : rule of the majority
b
: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

Black’s Law Dictionary:
That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens; as distinguished from a monarchy,aristocracy, or oligarchy. According to the theory of a pure democracy, every citizen should participate directly in the business of governing, and the legislative assembly should comprise the whole people. But the ultimate lodgment of the sovereignty being the distinguishing feature, the introduction of the representative system does not remove a government from this type. However, a government of the latter kind is sometimes specifically described as a “representative democracy.”

Encyclopedia Britannica:
democracy, Form of government in which supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodic free elections. In a direct democracy, the public participates in government directly (as in some ancient Greek city-states, some New England town meetings, and some cantons in modern Switzerland). Most democracies today are representative. The concept of representative democracy arose largely from ideas and institutions that developed during the European Middle Ages and the Enlightenment and in the American and French Revolutions. Democracy has come to imply universal suffrage, competition for office, freedom of speech and the press, and the rule of law. See also republic.

www.usconstitution.net/republic-vs-democracy/

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[StarRaider]

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i woulda expected a sound check

 

[RockyTop85]

Hilarious. I knew you would post something really long. Ah, so you’re saying we’re a democratic republic. Why didn’t you just say so?

8 decades of Supreme Court Justices referring to our democracy:

That our democracy ultimately rests on public opinion is a platitude of speech but not a commonplace in action. Public opinion is the ultimate reliance of our society only if it be disciplined and responsible. It can be disciplined and responsible only if habits of open-mindedness and of critical inquiry are acquired in the formative years of our citizens. The process of education has naturally enough been the basis of hope for the perdurance of our democracy on the part of all our great leaders, from Thomas Jefferson onwards. Wiemann v. Updegraff, (1952) (Frankfurter J., concurring)

The statute is directed at an evil which endangers the very fabric of a democratic society, for a democracy is effective only if the people have faith in those who govern, and that faith is bound to be shattered when high officials and their appointees engage in activities which arouse suspicions of malfeasance and corruption. U.S. V. Mississippi Valley Company (1961) (Warren C.J.)

In popular terms that view has been expressed as follows:

"The ground rules of our democracy, as it has grown, require a free press, not necessarily a responsible or a temperate one. There aren't any halfway stages. As Aristophanes saw, democracy means that power is generally conferred on second-raters by third-raters, whereupon everyone else, from first-raters to fourth-raters, moves with great glee to try to dislodge them. It's messy but most politicians understand *149that it can't very well be otherwise and still be a democracy." Stewart, reviewing Epstein, News From Nowhere: Television and the News (1972), Book World, Washington Post, March 25, 1973, pp. 4-

CBS v. DNC (1973) (Douglas J., quoting with approval)

At the core of the First Amendment are certain basic conceptions about the manner in which political discussion in a representative democracy should proceed. Brown v. Hartlage (1982) (Brennan J.)

When this Court deals with the content of this guarantee—the only one to appear in both the body of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights—it is operating upon the spinal column of American democracy. Neder v. U.S. (1999) (Scalia J., dissenting)

Representative democracy in any populous unit of governance is unimaginable without the ability of citizens to band together in promoting among the electorate candidates who espouse their political views. The formation of national political parties was almost concurrent with the formation of the Republic itself. California Democratic Party v. Jones (2000) (Scalia J.)

"the capacity of this democracy to represent its constituents [but also] the confidence of its citizens in their capacity to govern themselves," FEC v. Wisconsin Right to Life, (2007) (Souter, J., dissenting).

First Amendment rights could be confined to individuals, subverting the vibrant public discourse that is at the foundation of our democracy. Citizens United (2010) (Kennedy J.)

And rule by indefinite emergency edict risks leaving all of us with a shell of a democracy and civil liberties just as hollow. Arizona v. Mayorkas (2023) (Gorsuch J.)

 

[hUTch2002]

8 decades of Supreme Court Justices referring to our democracy:

That our democracy ultimately rests on public opinion is a platitude of speech but not a commonplace in action. Public opinion is the ultimate reliance of our society only if it be disciplined and responsible. It can be disciplined and responsible only if habits of open-mindedness and of critical inquiry are acquired in the formative years of our citizens. The process of education has naturally enough been the basis of hope for the perdurance of our democracy on the part of all our great leaders, from Thomas Jefferson onwards. Wiemann v. Updegraff, (1952) (Frankfurter J., concurring)

The statute is directed at an evil which endangers the very fabric of a democratic society, for a democracy is effective only if the people have faith in those who govern, and that faith is bound to be shattered when high officials and their appointees engage in activities which arouse suspicions of malfeasance and corruption. U.S. V. Mississippi Valley Company (1961) (Warren C.J.)

In popular terms that view has been expressed as follows:


CBS v. DNC (1973) (Douglas J., quoting with approval)

At the core of the First Amendment are certain basic conceptions about the manner in which political discussion in a representative democracy should proceed. Brown v. Hartlage (1982) (Brennan J.)

When this Court deals with the content of this guarantee—the only one to appear in both the body of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights—it is operating upon the spinal column of American democracy. Neder v. U.S. (1999) (Scalia J., dissenting)

Representative democracy in any populous unit of governance is unimaginable without the ability of citizens to band together in promoting among the electorate candidates who espouse their political views. The formation of national political parties was almost concurrent with the formation of the Republic itself. California Democratic Party v. Jones (2000) (Scalia J.)

"the capacity of this democracy to represent its constituents [but also] the confidence of its citizens in their capacity to govern themselves," FEC v. Wisconsin Right to Life, (2007) (Souter, J., dissenting).

First Amendment rights could be confined to individuals, subverting the vibrant public discourse that is at the foundation of our democracy. Citizens United (2010) (Kennedy J.)

And rule by indefinite emergency edict risks leaving all of us with a shell of a democracy and civil liberties just as hollow. Arizona v. Mayorkas (2023) (Gorsuch J.)

Stop it, you’re killing me. You just keep going like the Energizer Bunny. Hilarious.

 

[RockyTop85]

www.usconstitution.net/republic-vs-democracy/

Try this

From the article:
During recent political upheavals, some commentators and politicians have asserted that calling the United States a democracy is incorrect, preferring instead the term 'republic'. This assertion, seen in media portrayals and political rhetoric, often suggests that appreciating the United States as a republic exclusively helps safeguard against the flaws of a pure democracy. Senator Mike Lee's comments from October 2020 exemplify this stance as he described the American system as not one of mere majorities but rather as a "constitutional republic" where majority rule is tempered by statutory and constitutional boundaries.3

This restrictive interpretation, however, misses a broader point: the terms are not mutually exclusive and are interwoven deeply in the fabric of the US governance system. The electorate's power to elect representatives who make and interpret laws is inherently democratic, while the constitutional framework that guides and limits governance embodies the republic notion. Ignoring this connection narrows the discourse and can polarize debates unnecessarily.