Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[lawgator1]

I guess you haven't listened to the crazies on MSNBC lately w/their hateful messaging?

The fact of such messaging is not proof that Crooks was motivated by it.

Again, the comments from people in the community who knew him, that I have heard, are that he was a loner, bullied at school, and did not show signs of being ultra right or ultra left.

 

[hog88]

Sure.

Oh geez, don't tell me we are going to get into a whole thing of "The evidence that this was caused by Dem party messaging is the absence of any evidence of it."

No, I'm not getting into that. I'm saying if there is the FBI will not release it.

The guy could have been just crazy, hated Trump for whatever reason, he might have been seeking attention WTF knows what his motivation was. I just don't trust the FBI to release anything that could point to him being motivated by Dem rhetoric if it's there.

 

[EasternVol]

Cool 1980s picture.

You think Tebow helped Aaron Hernandez kill people? They were teammates and took pictures together?

Maybe.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

It would fit in the trunk or back seat and still reach probably 16 or 18'. The ladder thing doesn't really make me think conspiracy.

The news stories are saying it was a 5ft ladder (based on the Home Depot receipt). They are not saying anything about a folded ladder.

And something else I just thought about from the New York Post story:

After his stop at the gun shop, Crooks went to a Home Depot, where he purchased a five-foot ladder. A receipt for the ladder was later found in his pocket.

“We condemn the violence against former President Trump, and our thoughts are with him, the other victims of Saturday’s horrific events, and their families,” a spokesperson for the retailer said.

As of Tuesday, it was not immediately clear if Crooks used the newly purchased ammunition or the ladder in his attack on the Trump rally — though he did use a ladder to scale the roof of the factory to stake out the crowd.



So if they have the Home Depot receipt, how hard would it be for LEO to identify the ladder and match it with the receipt?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

The fact of such messaging is not proof that Crooks was motivated by it.

Again, the comments from people in the community who knew him, that I have heard, are that he was a loner, bullied at school, and did not show signs of being ultra right or ultra left.

So, therfore, with him being bullied at school & an outcast by his friends he decides to go take his frustrations out by shooting at the former POTUS. That logic sounds legit. If anything, this moron idiot, was brainwashed by the lunatic left that's running amok in the world.

 

[volinsd]

The news stories are saying it was a 5ft ladder (based on the Home Depot receipt). They are not saying anything about a folded ladder.

And something else I just thought about from the New York Post story:

After his stop at the gun shop, Crooks went to a Home Depot, where he purchased a five-foot ladder. A receipt for the ladder was later found in his pocket.

“We condemn the violence against former President Trump, and our thoughts are with him, the other victims of Saturday’s horrific events, and their families,” a spokesperson for the retailer said.

As of Tuesday, it was not immediately clear if Crooks used the newly purchased ammunition or the ladder in his attack on the Trump rally — though he did use a ladder to scale the roof of the factory to stake out the crowd.



So if they have the Home Depot receipt, how hard would it be for LEO to identify the ladder and match it with the receipt?

Not only that but ladders don't look new for very long. Should be easy to tell

 

[LSU-SIU]

We just do this song and dance every time something like this happens and the sides are just reversed.

With Paul Pelosi there was “no evidence” the guy was influenced MAGA and rhetoric doesn’t make people do bad things, anyways.

Now, there’s “no evidence” the guy was politically motivated.

Political rhetoric has taken on this fairy tale quality of good vs. evil. There are a lot of disturbed people out there who are motivated by that. Both sides are past the threshold of having somebody act on their rhetoric and commit violence.

What is the point of selectively using a political bludgeon when everybody knows you defended the same thing last time? What is the point of trying to fend off political bludgeons when everybody knows you were the one wielding it last time?

It doesn't matter if you can "prove" in a court that it directly made someone do it. Marketing doesn't work like that. Nobody is saying that it 100% caused anything.

Now, there’s “no evidence” the guy was politically motivated.

So what? This isn't a court of law. A person could reasonable conclude it did have an impact or could have an impact for future events. Its called marketing.

What is the point of selectively using a political bludgeon when everybody knows you defended the same thing last time? What is the point of trying to fend off political bludgeons when everybody knows you were the one wielding it last time?

Is it reasonable to call the Orange - Hitler? Is it reasonable to call Hillary an evil traitor?

Each situation is different. The difference here is most of those people don't really think Trump is Hitler i.e. marketing.

 

[McDad]

The fact of such messaging is not proof that Crooks was motivated by it.

Again, the comments from people in the community who knew him, that I have heard, are that he was a loner, bullied at school, and did not show signs of being ultra right or ultra left.

The loner-outcast-social misfit profile is much more in line with killing for notoriety than political motivation.

 

[Vol8188]

No, but you did very strongly imply that the free speech of some caused (or at least strongly contributed to) Saturday's attempted assassination:

Yes, I think politicians should be careful about their rhetoric. I think the media should be careful about their rhetoric.

I have no issue with you calling abortion murder. But that’s not the best analogy to this. I’d have an issue with you going on tv every day for 8 years and posting the photo and name of one specific gynecologist and calling him a murderer.

If you did that and then someone tried to kill him, I imagine you’d feel some guilt. I would.

 

[InVOLuntary]

The news stories are saying it was a 5ft ladder (based on the Home Depot receipt). They are not saying anything about a folded ladder.

And something else I just thought about from the New York Post story:

After his stop at the gun shop, Crooks went to a Home Depot, where he purchased a five-foot ladder. A receipt for the ladder was later found in his pocket.

“We condemn the violence against former President Trump, and our thoughts are with him, the other victims of Saturday’s horrific events, and their families,” a spokesperson for the retailer said.

As of Tuesday, it was not immediately clear if Crooks used the newly purchased ammunition or the ladder in his attack on the Trump rally — though he did use a ladder to scale the roof of the factory to stake out the crowd.



So if they have the Home Depot receipt, how hard would it be for LEO to identify the ladder and match it with the receipt?

As someone who purchases 10's of 1000's of dollars annually from Home Depot, it would be extremely easy to identify the ladder.

I saw another story where someone mentioned he used an AC unit to assist getting on the roof. I also saw a picture of a lower building coming off the higher building. I wonder if he used the ladder to climb on to the AC unit and then onto the lower building and then onto the higher building. Sort of stair stepping his way up?

 

[Zues1]

So, therfore, with him being bullied at school & an outcast by his friends he decides to go take his frustrations out by shooting at the former POTUS. That logic sounds legit. If anything, this moron idiot, was brainwashed by the lunatic left that's running amok in the world.

But he was bullied

 

[RockyTop85]

I just have no faith in the FBI, if there are messages ext in his phone saying he did this to save democracy, help Biden, Roe v Wade, pick a reason it will not be released.

I’m saying there is already evidence that it’s politically motivated. One has to be politically motivated to just ignore that evidence.

Regardless, if this specific act was motivated by Democrat political messaging generally or any specific politician’s messaging is irrelevant because we’ve already had somebody motivated to kill Brett Kavanaugh by leftist political rhetoric.

If one subscribes to “political messaging is dangerous” then it is a threshold issue. Democrats/republicans are not better if they engage in less quantity or intensity of violent rhetoric or catastrophizing.

I think it was @RockyTop85 who made what I thought was an excellent point about the ladder. The still frames of the ladder were well after the shooting. Taken from a helicopter. It could be that ladder had zero to do with the roof access of the shooter adn everything to do with LEO and SS personnel getting up there.

We don't know for sure because info is still coming out, but I think that line of thinking is reasonable.

I posted an ABC report that said he didn’t use a ladder. (Anonymous sources, “person familiar,” tifwiw.)

The execution of the security plan appears to have indeed been a colossal failure given the reports that this guy was spotted and called in and nobody followed up for nearly half an hour.

 

[RockyTop85]

It doesn't matter if you can "prove" in a court that it directly made someone do it. Marketing doesn't work like that. Nobody is saying that it 100% caused anything.



So what? This isn't a court of law. A person could reasonable conclude it did have an impact or could have an impact for future events. Its called marketing.



Is it reasonable to call the Orange - Hitler? Is it reasonable to call Hillary an evil traitor?

Each situation is different. The difference here is most of those people don't really think Trump is Hitler i.e. marketing.

I don’t really understand how this is relevant to the things I’m saying. I think you’ve misinterpreted my posts.

 

[McDad]

I’m saying there is already evidence that it’s politically motivated. One has to be politically motivated to just ignore that evidence.

Regardless, if this specific act was motivated by Democrat political messaging generally or any specific politician’s messaging is irrelevant because we’ve already had somebody motivated to kill Brett Kavanaugh by leftist political rhetoric.

If one subscribes to “political messaging is dangerous” then it is a threshold issue. Democrats/republicans are not better if they engage in less quantity or intensity of violent rhetoric or catastrophizing.


I posted an ABC report that said he didn’t use a ladder. (Anonymous sources, “person familiar,” tifwiw.)

The execution of the security plan appears to have indeed been a colossal failure given the reports that this guy was spotted and called in and nobody followed up for nearly half an hour.

The half an hour lag in action is...well, I really don't how to describe it...I'm sitting here shaking my head trying to find the words.

 

[RockyTop85]

The half an hour lag in action is...well, I really don't how to describe it...I'm sitting here shaking my head trying to find the words.

Yeah I don’t know how things are “usually done” for the secret service or what their decisionmaking criteria are or what their resources were to say that making the building in question the base of operations for the local “anti-sniper squad” is a failure of planning.

But a sniper getting on top of said building is clearly a failure of execution.
The fact that an alarm was raised about said sniper and Secret Service didn’t find out or didn’t respond imputes that failure to them.
The half hour lag is beyond colossal.

 

[McDad]

Yeah I don’t know how things are “usually done” for the secret service or what their decisionmaking criteria are or what their resources were to say that making the building in question the base of operations for the local “anti-sniper squad” is a failure of planning.

But a sniper getting on top of said building is clearly a failure of execution.
The fact that an alarm was raised about said sniper and Secret Service didn’t find out or didn’t respond imputes that failure to them.
The half hour lag is beyond colossal.

Agreed. We don't know the usual, the sop, the decision making. And all we have seen historically is the quick decisive action taken wrt Reagan and Kennedy. Those moments can create an unrealistic expectation compared to procedure.

Still, it's a big "oof" for the SS publicly.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The half an hour lag in action is...well, I really don't how to describe it...I'm sitting here shaking my head trying to find the words.

I've borderline defended the SS because there is some unknowns as to how many resources they have and where they told LE/Trump team they had cover for. However, once all the stuff about 30 minutes on the roof... one roof in the area basically not being investigated gets very problematic as an intentional act. Especially considering Trump should have been pulled off stage immediately, in hindsight.... why would he ever be allowed to go out there to start with?

(It starts to become more of an intentional act than one of accidental failure to perform)

 

[volinbham]

So the head of SS says the buck stops with her. The latest version of "I take full responsibility for...". Of course that will mean absolutely nothing and she will face no consequences but that buck has been stopped.

 

[hog88]

I’m saying there is already evidence that it’s politically motivated. One has to be politically motivated to just ignore that evidence.

Regardless, if this specific act was motivated by Democrat political messaging generally or any specific politician’s messaging is irrelevant because we’ve already had somebody motivated to kill Brett Kavanaugh by leftist political rhetoric.

If one subscribes to “political messaging is dangerous” then it is a threshold issue. Democrats/republicans are not better if they engage in less quantity or intensity of violent rhetoric or catastrophizing.


I posted an ABC report that said he didn’t use a ladder. (Anonymous sources, “person familiar,” tifwiw.)

The execution of the security plan appears to have indeed been a colossal failure given the reports that this guy was spotted and called in and nobody followed up for nearly half an hour.

I've seen no evidence that the attempt was politically motivated, and I could have absolutely missed it if it's out there.

 

[Switch 625]

C'mon... this is BS

Bought a ladder and...: What shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks did before Donald Trump assassination attempt





1. The ladder shown next to building was not a 5 foot ladder.
2. Let's say he did buy a ladder that day, how did he get it and a rifle past security?
3. How did he get a 5 ft ladder in a Hyundai Sonata?

And how did he manage to go directly to the perfect spot that just happened to be excluded from the security perimeter? Someone coached/assisted him.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I've seen no evidence that the attempt was politically motivated, and I could have absolutely missed it if it's out there.

It wasn't random.

 

[Switch 625]

I have a ladder that folds down to about 5' I can't recall the brand.

That sounds like a tactical assault ladder. You got a license for that?

 

[Ritzwatch]

You know. You're probably right. I am sure this guy went out for no reason at all, and decided to crawl up on a roof a football field away from the potential next president of the United States and just watch his speech thru an AR scope when the self loaded gun accidentally went off. After all, guns are dangerous and have a tendency to just go off and kill people.

Anyone find a clear picture of the rifle used?

Just curious. Whatever images I have seen have not definitively shown a scope on his rifle. Was he up there using iron sights?

 

[hog88]

It wasn't random.

I'm not saying that it was. Simply saying that I have seen no evidence that it was politically motivated.

 

[Switch 625]

It wasn't random.

A political figure at a political rally, but not political? SMDH