Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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hog88 said:
I didn't say the SS can dictate access to private property, they would/should have asked for permission.
From the pictures I've seen of the building a roving 3 man patrol could can secured the perimeter of that building to the point of at least noticing suspicious activity and sounding the alarm to get Orange Man off the stage.
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Possibly, I am working from more of the assumption they didn't have permission or didn't have the resources.

People are under the false assumption they (former President) have 100s of SS, and that really isn't the case. Just think of the amount of people you need if you even carry 100 SS, you need triple that number if you think of all the logistics, prep, vacation, etc.

I can tell you when Reagan came in as a former President, he didn't have that many either. Trump is probably traveling with 20-40, which have to keep on rotating in and travel to the next stop, etc.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Richard Goldinger, the Butler County district attorney, says it is “surprising” that the shooter was able to position himself on a nearby rooftop before opening fire at the Trump rally.⁠
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Speaking to MSNBC, he said that “I do know we had some law enforcement in that building, which is even more surprising that he was able to get up there”, adding the unit was normally used by a glass manufacturing company.
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Who is "He"
 
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Sorry if these are dumb questions or have already been answered...

Was there no CCTV's in the area? Surely that company would have some type of security cameras to at least go back and look at prior footage.

Did he put the ladder up to get on the roof? If he did, was it on Saturday or did he come prior and do that?

Would it not be suspicious to see a civilian walking through the crowd carrying a rifle and a ladder to see the former president or is that just me?
 
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adam.vol said:
It’s natural to act polite when you’ve been pleading for violence and suddenly get what you’ve been demanding. They’ve been calling for assassination for 8 years and when it happened, they acted just the way they had rehearsed it in their minds.

What is the left doing to rectify this assassination attempt?
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Here’s a quick thread of republican candidates and leaders shooting issues and candidates for campaign ads. This is far more on the nose than even Biden calling for a “bullseye” on Trump, something I would hope all could admit was an obvious figure of speech.

Acting like normal people in each party are out for blood is just foolish, irresponsible, and inaccurate. Anyone who wants to shed blood over a political candidate is a vile extremist that doesn’t represent the majority of us.

 
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berryvol said:
lol wut? No one with a functioning brain and air conditioning is marching on a government entity or on their neighbor here.
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The death of George Floyd sparked riots and unrest around the country. You don't think the assassination of a political figure like Trump would inspire at least an equal response? My guess would be an even bigger response. When people get angry, they lose their minds.
 
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Strawman.

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Hasty judgment.
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No, it's not hasty judgement in the least. The SS protective details have 1 job and that is to protect their charge, they failed.
 
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volfanhill said:
They are. However, the SS principal job is to protect the person they are assigned to. Did they not review the plan? Did local LEO not lay out who was in charge of monitoring that roof? If not, and they didn't ask, then they are to blame IMO
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With so many tech options it's impossible for me to believe the SS would leave rooftop security to local LE. Now the local LE may be talked with perimeter and only allowing people/spectators into predetermined area through choke points. But that's only the first and simplest layer of security.

How did the SS not have drones covering/monitoring building rooftops and windows looking out over the rally area for possible shooters?

If I'm a terrorist or hostile foreign country looking to make a big impact with very little bang I'm kicking myself for not making an attempt sooner.

Things should change immediately. Either this was showed to happen or our SS incompetent, either way heads should roll and a shakeup has to take place.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
People are under the false assumption they (former President) have 100s of SS, and that really isn't the case.
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Then the security assessment done by the bureaucrats in Washington was way off...

This isnt Jimmy Carter living in Podunk, GA or Mitt Romney running for POTUS...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Then the security assessment done by the bureaucrats in Washington was way off...

This isnt Jimmy Carter living in Podunk, GA or Mitt Romney running for POTUS...
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Not necessarily. The SS doesn't run the show, they are the tag along. I would assume they all try and work together. You are assuming the SS is in charge, they're not.

The reason is limited resources.

Now, why Trump wasn't pulled from the stage is not complete failure.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
A small number breached the Capitol for unproven election tales.

His head being blown off on live TV would have upped the ante by 100...

We've been Minneapolis and Ferguson burn over life-long criminals dying from the police
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It pisses me off even more knowing it was a deranged unsophisticated twerp who has the MO of someone who would've then committed suicide. I guess the description of the perp shouldn't matter.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not necessarily. The SS doesn't run the show, they are the tag along. I would assume they all try and work together. You are assuming the SS is in charge, they're not.

The reason is limited resources.
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What? If the SS is not in charge of presidential security who is?
 
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hog88 said:
What? If the SS is not in charge of presidential security who is?
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Well, yes they are responsible for his security but they can't tell him where he can and can't go, and they don't have unlimited resources. If it were up to them, he would be in a basement and never leave.

They're the tag along.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not necessarily. The SS doesn't run the show, they are the tag along. I would assume they all try and work together. You are assuming the SS is in charge, they're not.

The reason is limited resources.

Now, why Trump wasn't pulled from the stage is not complete failure.
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The SS is absolutely in charge....
 
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Weezer said:
The death of George Floyd sparked riots and unrest around the country. You don't think the assassination of a political figure like Trump would inspire at least an equal response? My guess would be an even bigger response. When people get angry, they lose their minds.
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I definitely worded that terribly in my sleepy haze. People would certainly cause short term civil unrest in pockets, but I’m mostly saying there’s zero chance an all out war breaks out over it. 98% of American’s aren’t ready to sacrifice their day jobs, AC, and football, much less their families and friends in a conflict like that.
 
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berryvol said:
Here’s a quick thread of republican candidates and leaders shooting issues and candidates for campaign ads. This is far more on the nose than even Biden calling for a “bullseye” on Trump, something I would hope all could admit was an obvious figure of speech.

Acting like normal people in each party are out for blood is just foolish, irresponsible, and inaccurate. Anyone who wants to shed blood over a political candidate is a vile extremist that doesn’t represent the majority of us.

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I added to my response a little, just prior to reading this. I agree with you and it’s going to be up to the majorities on both sides to ask themselves what we can do to run this country in a way that meets in the middle.
 
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