Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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BigOrangeMojo said:
I mean your idea is plausible I guess. I just dont see a business telling local cops to F off, especially when traffic control will be needed...
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It’s a long story, but once upon a time as a newb lawyer I had a judge basically tell me that he didn’t run the jail, didn’t know how to run the jail, would never in a million years want to run the jail, and they may well be mistreating my client by keeping him in PC, but he wasn’t going to micromanage the guy who did run the jail, and wasn’t going to order my client out of protective custody if the jail thought he needed to be there. Instead, he reduced his bond and my client was murdered 3 weeks after he posted it.

Moral of the story being that I (now) think the judgment of experienced professionals, particularly from organizations with a pretty strong track record, probably outweighs Monday morning quarterbacking on limited and sketchy information.

Obviously something went sideways, here, and the buck stops with the secret service, but trying to pin it on them as a colossal failure or whatever seems a little reactionary.

Maybe I’m being too deferential but I did roll my eyes at somebody earlier saying we needed to wait to see if it was politically motivated so I think I’m being level headed.
 
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bpalmer28 said:
What?

Their candidate was just shot and you think they should apologize????
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Do not think this, I probably didn’t word properly or type enough. I just, personally, believe there should be accountability across the board for what has led up to this. Everyone needs to stop pointing fingers and take an introspective look to what caused this. If we are to believe voting records, God knows what was going through this guys mind when he made his decisions. We have raised a generation in political hatred and turmoil and we are now reaping the rotten fruit.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I agree with many of your posts, and also the above sentiment. And no doubt... quite a few on the left have made some extremely embarrassing and perhaps job-costing comments. The "hanging" phrase just hit me as a bit much.
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hanging, gas chamber, firing squad... I really don't care, but Fauci killed as many people as Hitler, and Mayorkas is a treasonous fraud.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
The shat would have hit the fan 1 inch the other direction..

We all know that
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You are right. I hope everyone on the left knows that as well. Decent, hardworking, taxed to death conservatives have had enough of this BS. We support the 2A and generally have many firearms and lots of ammo and we are beyond pissed by what has been done to this once greater nation. Yesterday could have damn well been just like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. The straw that broke the camels back. Heck Biden saying publicly that it doesnt matter if the SAVE act passes the Senate, because he will veto a law stating ONLY US citizens can vote in federal elections is enough to make me ready to protest at a bare minimum. We are sick and tired of this bullsheit and if the Dimwits steal this election from Trump there WILL BE trouble. Not taking this crap laying down anymore. Never should have to begin with...but obviously I am not in charge.

The insistence by the Right to always play by the rules, and be the actual adults in the room is EXACTLY what got us to where we are today. I could post a dozen quotes here from the founders of this Nation calling for blood in circumstances far less bleak, for transgressions much smaller than the all out invasion at the southern border just as one example. The founders of this Nation would have been stacking bodies long ago. Long ago. If the Left doesnt pull their Socialist heads out of their collective asses, there will eventually be blood. Count on it.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
It’s a long story, but once upon a time as a newb lawyer I had a judge basically tell me that he didn’t run the jail, didn’t know how to run the jail, would never in a million years want to run the jail, and they may well be mistreating my client by keeping him in PC, but he wasn’t going to micromanage the guy who did run the jail, and wasn’t going to order my client out of protective custody if the jail thought he needed to be there. Instead, he reduced his bond and my client was murdered 3 weeks after he posted it.

Moral of the story being that I (now) think the judgment of experienced professionals, particularly from organizations with a pretty strong track record, probably outweighs Monday morning quarterbacking on limited and sketchy information.

Obviously something went sideways, here, and the buck stops with the secret service, but trying to pin it on them as a colossal failure or whatever seems a little reactionary.

Maybe I’m being too deferential but I did roll my eyes at somebody earlier saying we needed to wait to see if it was politically motivated so I think I’m being level headed.
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I think everyone agrees it was a colossal failure. That's not reactionary.

The question is why there was a failure? Even before yesterday, there had been grumbling about the size of the detail. The SS have struggled with retention. The SS had to subcontract out some of the security within the perimeter that they would normally never do for a POTUS. Did that impact communication? Whatever analysis that shows Trump needed a detail a fraction of the size of a sitting POTUS for the same kind of event was obviously fatally flawed.

Most of all, my gut is telling me something isnt adding up and that it goes beyond basic human error and that it extends beyond the agents in the field. I clearly do not think it was conspiracy from the top but could have the SS used some of its retention headwinds as justification for the D's initiative to reduce his detail to an unsafe level. It appears that could be the case.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
You are right. I hope everyone on the left knows that as well. Decent, hardworking, taxed to death conservatives have had enough of this BS. We support the 2A and generally have many firearms and lots of ammo and we are beyond pissed by what has been done to this once greater nation. Yesterday could have damn well been just like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand. The straw that broke the camels back. Heck Biden saying publicly that it doesnt matter if the SAVE act passes the Senate, because he will veto a law stating ONLY US citizens can vote in federal elections is enough to make me ready to protest at a bare minimum. We are sick and tired of this bullsheit and if the Dimwits steal this election from Trump there WILL BE trouble. Not taking this crap laying down anymore. Never should have to begin with...but obviously I am not in charge.

The insistence by the Right to always play by the rules, and be the actual adults in the room is EXACTLY what got us to where we are today. I could post a dozen quotes here from the founders of this Nation calling for blood in circumstances far less bleak, for transgressions much smaller than the all out invasion at the southern border just as one example. The founders of this Nation would have been stacking bodies long ago. Long ago. If the Left doesnt pull their Socialist heads out of their collective asses, there will eventually be blood. Count on it.
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Washington DC would have burned to the ground if it was one inch the other direction....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
I think everyone agrees it was a colossal failure. That's not reactionary.

The question is why there was a failure? Even before yesterday, there had been grumbling about the size of the detail. The SS have struggled with retention. The SS had to subcontract out some of the security within the perimeter that they would normally never do for a POTUS. Did that impact communication? Whatever analysis that shows Trump needed a detail a fraction of the size of a sitting POTUS for the same kind of event was obviously fatally flawed.

Most of all, my gut is telling me something isnt adding up and that it goes beyond basic human error and that it extends beyond the agents in the field. I clearly do not think it was conspiracy from the top but could have the SS used some of its retention headwinds as justification for the D's initiative to reduce his detail to an unsafe level. It appears that could be the case.
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This is the Paul Pelosi thing on Valium.

“This doesn’t make sense to me, someone with no firsthand experience and limited information, so there must be an abnormal explanation for it.”

It’s Stephen A. Smith level reactionary to be this entrenched in these types of conclusions, at this point.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Washington DC would have burned to the ground if it was one inch the other direction....
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You may very well be right. Which doesn't make me happy...America and Americans lose bigly in a Civil War scenario. All this division is exactly what the Uniparty in DC wants...the complicit media keeps us divided and angry at eachother, so that we hopefully cannot see what is REALLY going down. Which is the looting of the public treasury, liquidation of our National resources, invasion of our soil by illegals etc etc. It is endless.

The couple hundred folks which I am in contact with on a weekly basis are extremely tired of the BS from the Left...and the unwillingness of the Right to do anything about it. EVERY multi-trillion dollar theft package proposed by the Dimwits has passed Congress with EASE just as soon as the necessary tiny % of pork was added to grease the wheels of a few RINOS. Happened with the preposterous "BBB" as well as the criminal and laughable "Inflation Reduction Act". As IF inflation could EVER BE reduced by our government spending trillions MORE dollars that we don't collectively have?!? Nobody with half a brain believes that...which I fully expect from the Leftists because they are delusional and juvenile...but the dozen or more RINOs that voted FOR these packages?? They cannot plead ignorance. They are not "victims". They are crooks.

I ask you all this simple question:

How many times in the last decade alone have you seen absolute INSANITY in this country, like the BLM riots or the invasion at the border; and thought to yourself... " Never thought we could fall this far as a Nation. God help us." ??

How many times? Was it when the government got behind allowing MalesXY to freely use FemalesXX bathrooms and locker rooms? Was it when MalesXY were now allowed to compete in FemaleXX sports? Was it when the LEOs and 200 undercover FBI agents led and encouraged a couple hundred people to take a fieldtrip into the Capitol building? After they moved the barricades, opened the doors for them, and escorted them the entire time? Or when afterwards they used millions of taxpayer dollars to prosecute those same people and put them in prison for years? Maybe it was when they forced the Coroner in Minnesota to falsify his autopsy and say that Floyd died from the officers actions, rather than his original diagnosis that Floyd died from acute Fentanyl poisoning? Or afterwards when officers at every level of law enforcement stood down while the Antifa and BLM domestic terrorists burned, raped, looted and killed innocents across all the major cities up north? I could go on and on and on with examples. There are many from the Obama administration as well. In fact, the real insanity and division in this nation began on his watch. Unprecedented ignorance and destruction of this country. Unparalleled tribalism. Not to mention all the Covid nonsense and trampeling of our rights and freedoms. I could get into that as well...but I would be here all night.

Those of us who were kids in the 70s, 80s, and 90s actually remember a country much greater in pretty much every possible sense than this cesspool we now inhabit. It is plain to see exactly who got us here as well. Conservatives are sick and tired of being sick and tired of this BS. We want accountability and change. We have seen the abject failure of "progressive" policies and we want a return to decency and sanity. Many of us are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to that end. I know that I am. I want peace and prosperity...but I am not naive enough to think that will ever happen in our current climate. If logic, reason, and morals will not affect the changes needed then we may have to employ other methods to change this country before it is too late.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This is the Paul Pelosi thing on Valium.

“This doesn’t make sense to me, someone with no firsthand experience and limited information, so there must be an abnormal explanation for it.”

It’s Stephen A. Smith level reactionary to be this entrenched in these types of conclusions, at this point.
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I’m like everyone else , no training in security set up for anyone and everyone can see from my posts ( after that kid with the drum that sued cnn , I posted wayy too soon on that one ) I don’t do conspiracy. That being said , after hunting all my life I know what advantage am elevated position gives me and how important a clear line of sight is . If that building way 150 -200 yards away from the stage and was identified as a massive security concern to be covered there’s some hard questions that need to be answered . I hope we can find out why it wasn’t so at least that part is answered
 
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MercyPercy said:
The main thing here I don't understand is why SS didn't rush his orange ass off the stage immediately. I understand they shot the one guy at that point but in the heat of the moment you don't know how many shooters there are. To even allow him to get up and poke his head out multiple times and delay his exit seems wild to me.
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Failures on so many levels
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I think that’s wishcasting. If Secret Service asks and the owner tells them to get ****ed they can’t just occupy his property.
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Lame.
So if someone is on a roof top in your neighborhood crawling around with a rifle, cops get called out. Guy on roof ( home owner) says get f***. They'll just throw up their hands and leave. Oh, sure
 
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