2024 Presidential Race

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#18,801
utvolpj said:
It's not Biden. You have no clue who is running the executive branch if Biden is elected
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I would have a clue.
I would be absolutely certain that it is not trump running the executive branch.

And again, if those are the only two viable choices, it's Biden for me.
 
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#18,802
#18,802
luthervol said:
I would have a clue.
I would be absolutely certain that it is not trump running the executive branch.

And again, if those are the only two viable choices, it's Biden for me.
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For the sake of our country neither is viable. But you have fun voting for nameless party operatives to secretly run our executive branch. It really helps
 
#18,803
#18,803
utvolpj said:
For the sake of our country neither is viable. But you have fun voting for nameless party operatives to secretly run our executive branch. It really helps
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So what's your solution? Vote 3rd party? Blow the whole thing up and start over??
Unfortunately it is the lesser of two undesirables in this election, and I agree with Luther: better to vote for those "handling" Biden than a wannabe dictator. JMO, so TIFWIW.
 
#18,804
#18,804
utvolpj said:
For the sake of our country neither is viable. But you have fun voting for nameless party operatives to secretly run our executive branch. It really helps
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Do you prefer one over the other?

Or maybe a better way of asking it is, do you view one as worse than the other?

How will you use your vote?
 
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#18,805
lostsheep said:
So what's your solution? Vote 3rd party? Blow the whole thing up and start over??
Unfortunately it is the lesser of two undesirables in this election, and I agree with Luther: better to vote for those "handling" Biden than a wannabe dictator. JMO, so TIFWIW.
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Yes, vote for a candidate instead of acting like you're voting against someone. If that's a 3rd party then so be it. We need better ideas in govt than 2 octogenarian clowns who are likely mentally unfit.

Installing a nameless, faceless, unaccountable group to control the executive branch should be a criminal act. But hey, as long as a guy you laughingly label a wannabe dictator doesn't get in it's all worth it right?
 
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#18,806
luthervol said:
Do you prefer one over the other?

Or maybe a better way of asking it is, do you view one as worse than the other?

How will you use your vote?
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I view both as abhorrent but a perfect example of what 2 party politics eventually turns in to. There is nothing that could convince me to vote for Biden or Trump. I'm not into politics as a team sport
 
#18,807
#18,807
utvolpj said:
Yes, vote for a candidate instead of acting like you're voting against someone. If that's a 3rd party then so be it. We need better ideas in govt than 2 octogenarian clowns who are likely mentally unfit.

Installing a nameless, faceless, unaccountable group to control the executive branch should be a criminal act. But hey, as long as a guy you laughingly label a wannabe dictator doesn't get in it's all worth it right?
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A man needs to vote his conscious, so you do what you perceive as best for the future of our country. I voted 3rd party in 2016 because I didn't like either option then, and will probably do the same this time around.
As far as me laughingly labeling trump as a wannabe dictator, that's far from the case. It isn't a comical situation to me. Just curious tho...how would you label him??
 
#18,808
#18,808
utvolpj said:
Yes, vote for a candidate instead of acting like you're voting against someone. If that's a 3rd party then so be it. We need better ideas in govt than 2 octogenarian clowns who are likely mentally unfit.

Installing a nameless, faceless, unaccountable group to control the executive branch should be a criminal act. But hey, as long as a guy you laughingly label a wannabe dictator doesn't get in it's all worth it right?
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You seem to be ignoring the reality.
We agree with you, the choices suck.
But the reality is that one of the two will win the election.
If you view one as less horrible than the other, then it is insane to not cast your vote accordingly.

And don't kid yourself, people who are voting 3rd party are just as much part of the system.
Both parties are thrilled to see 3rd party votes cast by people who would have otherwise voted for the opponent.
 
#18,809
#18,809
utvolpj said:
I view both as abhorrent but a perfect example of what 2 party politics eventually turns in to. There is nothing that could convince me to vote for Biden or Trump. I'm not into politics as a team sport
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I can only conclude that you are equally disgusted with either outcome. Understandable.


I can guarantee you that I am not equally disgusted with either outcome, and will vote accordingly.
 
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#18,810
luthervol said:
You seem to be ignoring the reality.
We agree with you, the choices suck.
But the reality is that one of the two will win the election.
If you view one as less horrible than the other, then it is insane to not cast your vote accordingly.

And don't kid yourself, people who are voting 3rd party are just as much part of the system.
Both parties are thrilled to see 3rd party votes cast by people who would have otherwise voted for the opponent.
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If the choices suck then don't support them. That's an adult choice

The 2 main parties have continually rigged the system against 3rd parties so that you have less choice. They make getting better candidates harder yet are thrilled to see you mindlessly support them.
 
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luthervol said:
I can only conclude that you are equally disgusted with either outcome. Understandable.


I can guarantee you that I am not equally disgusted with either outcome, and will vote accordingly.
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Which is horrible. You believe unaccountable bureaucrats should control the us govt and will gladly put them in place as long as they wear a blue tie. You're a great and consistent example of how we got here
 
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#18,812
lostsheep said:
A man needs to vote his conscious, so you do what you perceive as best for the future of our country. I voted 3rd party in 2016 because I didn't like either option then, and will probably do the same this time around.
As far as me laughingly labeling trump as a wannabe dictator, that's far from the case. It isn't a comical situation to me. Just curious tho...how would you label him??
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What policies of his were dictatorial in nature? What checks are missing to prevent it? No one seems to have very good answers for that

I think he wild me horrible for this country but I don't have to make up reasons
 
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#18,813
luthervol said:
I'm about to vote for him again.....
But I certainly do not support him.
I continue to hope he is replaced on the ticket.
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This is the stupidest statement of alltime on VN. If you vote for a candidate then you just supported him/ her. Even a simple minded lib should understand that.
 
#18,815
#18,815
utvolpj said:
Which is horrible. You believe unaccountable bureaucrats should control the us govt and will gladly put them in place as long as they wear a blue tie. You're a great and consistent example of how we got here
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Nope -
I do not believe unaccountable bureaucrats should control the us govt.
and I am not gladly putting them in place.

I am sadly but emphatically voting against Trump.

It's a pretty straightforward position, and one I've had since 2016 (along with millions of others).
 
#18,816
#18,816
luthervol said:
Nope -
I do not believe unaccountable bureaucrats should control the us govt.
and I am not gladly putting them in place.

I am sadly but emphatically voting against Trump.

It's a pretty straightforward position, and one I've had since 2016 (along with millions of others).
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You don't believe yet continue to VOTE FOR it over and over. That's such a weak cop out
 
#18,817
#18,817
utvolpj said:
You don't believe yet continue to VOTE FOR it over and over. That's such a weak cop out
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I think we've reached our impasse.
I'll leave it with this.....over the last 3 election cycles, I have not voted for Trump, Biden, or Clinton in the primaries.
As a nation, we suck at primaries.
 
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#18,818
Does anyone else find it more then a little concerning that the alphabet agencies as well as military leader are admitting the keep information from the POTUS (Trump) as well and reach deal with foreign enemies ensuring that Trump wouldn't hurt them??? Would that classify as treason or a potential coup when added on the fake impeachments?
 
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#18,819
whodeycin85 said:
Does anyone else find it more then a little concerning that the alphabet agencies as well as military leader are admitting the keep information from the POTUS (Trump) as well and reach deal with foreign enemies ensuring that Trump wouldn't hurt them??? Would that classify as treason or a potential coup when added on the fake impeachments?
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ignorance + propaganda personified
 
#18,822
#18,822
luthervol said:
I think we've reached our impasse.
I'll leave it with this.....over the last 3 election cycles, I have not voted for Trump, Biden, or Clinton in the primaries.
As a nation, we suck at primaries.
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We are but I gave it my best effort. But don't worry you're no different than tens is millions of other drones. No different than millions of Trump voters
 
#18,823
#18,823
whodeycin85 said:
Does anyone else find it more then a little concerning that the alphabet agencies as well as military leader are admitting the keep information from the POTUS (Trump) as well and reach deal with foreign enemies ensuring that Trump wouldn't hurt them??? Would that classify as treason or a potential coup when added on the fake impeachments?
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I find it more concerning that they rightfully felt as if they had to.
 
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