The future Liberals want

[volbound1700]

@McDad , Don't get me wrong. I don't like the fact that people defend Palestine and I am very anti-Islamic in my mindset based on their violence against my ancestors (and I take things further back in my lineage than 1776; I consider Medieval Europe, Byzantium, Rome, and even ancient Israel) as a part of my literal and cultural heritage.

That being said, they are ALLOWED to protest in the United States and protected by the Constitution.

Half my arguments on here are for cultural change and not necessarily changes in our Government. I think our problems are more in the cultural beliefs than actually our government and that if we changed our culture, it would fix a lot of the other issues that we have in our system.

John Adams had this famous quote about the US system: Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government for any other.

#2 – Public and Private Virtue

American Classical Leadership Education®

www.johnadamsacademy.org

 

[hog88]

Visas don't offer anything. I have traveled overseas many times. I always remember that I am a "guest" and not privileged to be in their nation.

Visas are basically an additional document that you are required to obtain for certain nations that explains why you are in that nation.

If you are on US soil you are protected by the 1st amendment just the same as a citizen.

 

[volbound1700]

If you are on US soil you are protected by the 1st amendment just the same as a citizen.

Go read the Aliens and Sedition Act. It was passed by, pretty much, our Founding Fathers.

I know there has been some court cases out there saying the opposite but they are wrong. The state can deport non-US citizens for about anything. Now, certain nations, may have contracts with the US government and you could argue we breach our relationship with that nation if we deport their citizens.

USA may have also signed into some UN Treaties about it and could violate those treaties.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

There you go again, projecting your own bigotry on me.

No. I think he tagged you pretty accurately

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

@McDad , Don't get me wrong. I don't like the fact that people defend Palestine and I am very anti-Islamic in my mindset based on their violence against my ancestors (and I take things further back in my lineage than 1776; I consider Medieval Europe, Byzantium, Rome, and even ancient Israel) as a part of my literal and cultural heritage.

That being said, they are ALLOWED to protest in the United States and protected by the Constitution.

Half my arguments on here are for cultural change and not necessarily changes in our Government. I think our problems are more in the cultural beliefs than actually our government and that if we changed our culture, it would fix a lot of the other issues that we have in our system.

John Adams had this famous quote about the US system: Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government for any other.

#2 – Public and Private Virtue

American Classical Leadership Education®

www.johnadamsacademy.org

No such thing or place as Palestine

 

[McDad]

If you are on US soil you are protected by the 1st amendment just the same as a citizen.

do you know this as a fact?

 

[McDad]

@McDad , Don't get me wrong. I don't like the fact that people defend Palestine and I am very anti-Islamic in my mindset based on their violence against my ancestors (and I take things further back in my lineage than 1776; I consider Medieval Europe, Byzantium, Rome, and even ancient Israel) as a part of my literal and cultural heritage.

That being said, they are ALLOWED to protest in the United States and protected by the Constitution.

Half my arguments on here are for cultural change and not necessarily changes in our Government. I think our problems are more in the cultural beliefs than actually our government and that if we changed our culture, it would fix a lot of the other issues that we have in our system.

John Adams had this famous quote about the US system: Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government for any other.

#2 – Public and Private Virtue

American Classical Leadership Education®

www.johnadamsacademy.org

Without getting into a religious discussion which most of the posters don't appreciate outside of the OT Bible thread (rip), I agree with you on the cultural aspect. But we must be very careful to not allow our government to infringe on rights from a cultural standpoint. Further agree that our country would be best if we first love God, and second love others as ourselves.

 

[volbound1700]

Without getting into a religious discussion which most of the posters don't appreciate outside of the OT Bible thread (rip), I agree with you on the cultural aspect. But we must be very careful to not allow our government to infringe on rights from a cultural standpoint. Further agree that our country would be best if we first love God, and second love others as ourselves.

Agree. We can't change people with laws, it starts with interpersonal contact with people. That was how the Church changed Rome.

 

[hndog609]

do you know this as a fact?

Something to look over.

Rojas v. Moore: Immigrants and the First Amendment

Claudio Marcelo Rojas v. Marc J. Moore, No. 1:19-CV-20855-JLK (S.D. Fla. Apr. 29, 2019), order hosted by Courthouse News. On September 22, 2020, the United States Court of Appeals for...

jolt.law.harvard.edu

 

[rekinhavoc]

California city OK's $1M per unit homeless housing project after audit found state wasted billions on crisis

The City of Santa Monica, California approved a multimillion-dollar apartment unit for the homeless days after an audit found the state could not account for $24B spent on homelessness.

www.foxnews.com

"Santa Monica city officials last week approved a multimillion-dollar apartment unit for the homeless just days after the release of an audit which found California could not account for the $24 billion it spent on the state’s burgeoning homeless crisis.

The 122-unit building for the homeless will include a mix of studio, one, two and three-bedroom apartments, along with ground floor retail and residential and commercial parking spaces.

A design concept available on the city's website shows that the multi-apartment unit will cost more than $123 million, for a cost of just over $1 million each for the 122 apartments. A second design concept would have cost even more, north of $200 million for 196 units. "

You can buy tiny houses online for under 15k.

 

[hog88]

do you know this as a fact?

Fact? No, but pretty sure.

 

[Cod]

Calling themselves Hamas is free speech and protected. The other you listed isn't free speech but those have consequences.
Forcing ppl off campus is a campus issue.
Attacking ppl is a legal matter.

Free speech is protected, I agree 100%.

But when you're calling yourself a terrorist and promoting terrorist ideology........

Tell ya what, try this out next time you fly, call yourself a terrorist on an airplane see if they just say "Oh it's free speech"

 

[NashVol11]

They are apparently blocking the flow of students to class rooms and buildings. Same situation. If they were just on a field away from everyone shouting (which is pretty common for colleges anyways), it wouldn't be an issue.

Please be serious lol. If you want to outlaw every protest that is "blocking the flow of people walking" then you just want to outlaw protest entirely

 

[McDad]

Free speech is protected, I agree 100%.

But when you're calling yourself a terrorist and promoting terrorist ideology........

Tell ya what, try this out next time you fly, call yourself a terrorist on an airplane see if they just say "Oh it's free speech"

I am glad you agree. But your next two sentences ore not analogous to the discussion.

 

[McDad]

You have every right to call out whoever you want.
Attacking Jews in America is a crime. Not protected.
Supporting terrorists financially may be a crime (I dont know) which means not protected.
Foreign state actors' free speech may/or may not be protected...i do not know. Have you proof they are foreign state actors?

@Sgt_Nick_Fury, bumping this to see if you have proof they are foreign state actors???

 

[McDad]

Please be serious lol. If you want to outlaw every protest that is "blocking the flow of people walking" then you just want to outlaw protest entirely

That's a stretch. A protest can be very visible, vocal and effective in a prominent area which doesn't impede the movement of other people. Especially true on a college campus with the abundant open spaces which are often adjacent to administrative buildings.

 

[volbound1700]

That's a stretch. I protest can be very visible, vocal and effective in a prominent area which doesn't impede the movement of other people. Especially true on a college campus with the abundant open spaces which are often adjacent to administrative buildings.

Yeah, he wasn't worth responding to based on the post. I am trying not to respond to 2nd grade-level posts on here (hard to do sometimes).

 

[Carl Pickens]

Terrorists (the one's who have lead or participated in terrorist acts) are here in America protesting?

With Sloppy Joe’s border policy it’s possible, but I doubt they’re out on the corner protesting

 

[McDad]

Yeah, he wasn't worth responding to based on the post. I am trying not to respond to 2nd grade-level posts on here (hard to do sometimes).

There are obvious trolls. Nash isn't one of them, at least i don't think he is.

 

[McDad]

With Sloppy Joe’s border policy it’s possible, but I doubt they’re out on the corner protesting

LOL.
There was a story linked last week about illegal immigrants complaining to the local city council about their lack of resources and help. Some are more bold than others.

 

[volbound1700]

There are obvious trolls. Nash isn't one of them, at least i don't think he is.

He is definitely not informed on the topic then. There are numerous videos of the protesters blocking students or trying to stop the flow of traffic (especially for Jewish students they are labeling as Zionists).

 

[NashVol11]

That's a stretch. A protest can be very visible, vocal and effective in a prominent area which doesn't impede the movement of other people. Especially true on a college campus with the abundant open spaces which are often adjacent to administrative buildings.

“Can be” is not what our laws should be based on. If we outlawed protests that “impede the flow of people walking” I can 100% guarantee you it would have been used against MLK

 

[volbound1700]

“Can be” is not what our laws should be based on. If we outlawed protests that “impede the flow of people walking” I can 100% guarantee you it would have been used against MLK

It actually is considered "kidnapping" or "personal imprisonment" to block someone's movement (it has to be to the point they have no way of getting through to the location).

 

[McDad]

“Can be” is not what our laws should be based on. If we outlawed protests that “impede the flow of people walking” I can 100% guarantee you it would have been used against MLK

Your position on the right to free speech is similar to others' on the right to bear arms in that neither want to see the right at risk of infringement. Which is the best way, I think. I may be misinformed, but I thought MLK and the leaders got permits to march? I remember streets were closed in at least a couple places.

My point about protests staying clear of sidewalks is about protection of the students from each other and making sure those unable to freely move in the grass are not inhibited.

 

[NashVol11]

It actually is considered "kidnapping" or "personal imprisonment" to block someone's movement (it has to be to the point they have no way of getting through to the location).

Sounds like “blocking the flow” is already addressed with laws and those in charge determined those laws didn’t apply to this situation, so I’m not sure what else you want to happen