War in Ukraine

I don’t like it either but unfortunately that’s the only way to actually win wars.
I’d much prefer we didn’t fight them or pay for others to fight them.

There is a group of people that got excited when they thought the Comedian was going to storm Moscow and that the Russians couldn't fight. Than they get mad if the plan is flatten everything. They shouldn't have anything to worry about cause Moscow is going to be taken in days.

Its all very strange behavior by people on the internet. Clearly they don't need our money as they are winning. When you start to agree with them, they get even more angry.
 
Who said I was backing down? You are acting like a child, there is no such think as flattening using your definition.

You can act like a 6 year old all day, not much I can do about it.
you are the one backing down. you have used various words to indicate that Ukraine was going to be destroyed; and now suddenly want to pivot to Russia is just going to kill everyone.

parking lots, demolition, flattening:

how are you proposing Russia turns people into parking lots? You dropped that line multiple times. That doesn't sound like targeting the people, that sounds like targeting physical Ukraine.

you were also calling for it to be the greatest demolition of history. not a phrase to use for killing people, but destroying buildings.

flattening doesn't indicate people at all. you are the one with a made up definition of flattening if you are only talking about people now.

you have made it clear you thought all of Ukraine was going to be destroyed, except for maybe the far west of Ukraine if Poland grabs it, but you have also walked around that one too.

maybe you just need to be more precise with your choice of words and not turn to hyperbole.
 
There is a group of people that got excited when they thought the Comedian was going to storm Moscow and that the Russians couldn't fight. Than they get mad if the plan is flatten everything. They shouldn't have anything to worry about cause Moscow is going to be taken in days.

Its all very strange behavior by people on the internet. Clearly they don't need our money as they are winning. When you start to agree with them, they get even more angry.
They have fought them to a stalemate when adequately funded and armed. And doing that without air superiority is a huge indictment of the Russian military. I don't think anyone seriously started Ukraine was winning, Ukraine was successfully defending itself however. Against a much superior force on paper.
 
depends on what the goal of the war is and what side you are on.

If you are there to take resources or gain something from the land you are taking, destroying everything makes no sense and is counter productive. if you are going in to save the people from the evil west, and you default to blowing them all up, you have defeated yourself. If you are trying to gain a physical buffer between you and an enemy and you lose far more men and material than you gain in relative protection from the buffer, you have hurt yourself.

people have a broad misconception about the role of strategic bombing in WW2. The Germans were producing more in 1944 after 3 years of daily allied bombing than they did in 1941 before the bombing began. They really only lost production capability when they started losing land. We have already been over the nuking of Japan. even the german bombings of Britain had little to no strategic impact on the war. We didn't defeat the Axis because we crippled their manufacturing, we defeated the Axis because we had two world powers that were out escalating them on the macro scale regardless of how much damage we could do. it has an impact, but it doesn't win wars.

if by winning you mean genocide of a nation, then yeah that's how you win the war. But that is not how the referenced wars were won. If you simply want to look at statistics and see who killed more of who, and consider the higher total the winner, then yeah, its how you win a war. if you want a greco-roman boxing match and just see who can do the most damage, then yeah it might be winning.

you aren't going to overthrow a government via strategic destruction. you aren't going to remove some idea via strategic destruction. you aren't going to take and hold ground via strategic destruction. you aren't going to be able to defend your own territory/people with strategic destruction.
I’m much in the “don’t fight them category.
My only objective for fighting a war is defending my people.
If it becomes obvious that I ( the leader of a fictional country) can’t let you live (the leaders of a country that won’t stop attacking me) then you, your people, your infrastructure, nothing about you is of any concern to me. My goal is to keep mine alive and end you. That’s the only way to win a war worth fighting in my mind. The rest of that BS….gaining land, saving your people from you…..or any other excuse to attack is just that. BS. Strategic destruction is out the window. It’s absolute overwhelming destruction and salting the earth
 
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They have fought them to a stalemate when adequately funded and armed. And doing that without air superiority is a huge indictment of the Russian military. I don't think anyone seriously started Ukraine was winning, Ukraine was successfully defending itself however. Against a much superior force on paper.

Goat herders beat the United States so what? What do I care, other than my tax dollars?

No need to worry the Ukraine is winning. BTW its not very impressive at all, the Russians only have shovels and washing machine parts to fight with haven't you heard?
 
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Like I said, you guys act out like 6 year olds. Funny thing is I haven't forgot what I said but you did. 😂

Every time I say the Ukraine is winning seems to bring the lunatics out. I agree with all the neocons out here, the Ukraine is winning yuge. I hope all their winning continues, without my tax dollars. Man that eastern central Ukraine looks like great place to see all the winning going on. Surprised all the Rambos out here haven't placed a ticket to visit.

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Goat herders beat the United States so what? What do I care, other than my tax dollars?

No need to worry the Ukraine is winning. BTW its not very impressive at all, the Russians only have shovels and washing machine parts to fight with haven't you heard?
the same goat herders also beat the Russians.
 
the same goat herders also beat the Russians.

So what? I said the same thing in regards to the U.S. All this whining, projecting, childish behavior isn't going to change anything.... I say let them all blow each other up. You are free to join in if you wish. I'm just glad the Ukraine is winning so much, no more taxpayer funding needed.

There is so much liberty, freedom, sovereignty, and democracy going on in the Ukraine, not sure I could stand all the fun.

I think all of this is kind of boring, just waiting for the French and English to go get some democracy.

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There are just and unjust wars. There are just and unjust rules of engagement; don't intentionally harm civilians, don't kill/torture POW's, etc.

Very few wars are "just" and when committing forces to war the ROE needs to be simple. WIN and GTFO.

POW's are a byproduct of war and yes, once captured they should be protected.
 
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Very few wars are "just" and when committing forces to war the ROE needs to be simple. WIN and GTFO.

POW's are a byproduct of war and yes, once captured they should be protected.

You kind of refuted your first statement with the latter.

What I think you are trying to get at, and I agree, is that when a country's leadership decides to enter into the war stage of a conflict (vs nation building, peacekeeping, etc.), the ROE ought to liberal and relatively simple in order to save the lives of your own troops. Obviously, they should only follow a just declaration of war.
 
LOLOLOL You can't make this stuff up

"Neocon Nikki Haley Reveals New Job After Dropping Out of 2024 Presidential Race in DisgraceAfter finally admitting defeat to President Trump, Nikki Haley has gone a bit silent — until now.It turns out that she has been welcomed with a new opportunity, and that opportunity is joining the Hudson Institute, a neoconservative foreign policy think tank that blames Ukraine’s losses on the lack of financial support from the West."
 
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LOLOLOL You can't make this stuff up

There was a post on reddit where a guy did the calculations on $60 billion, and he calculated you could actually build a real Maginot Line out of sandbags with dollars in them. (I never checked the calculations but it was funny)

Rinse and repeat for the neocons. However, I am a bit confused as the Ukraine is winning yuge.

Freedom, Liberty, Democracy and Sovereignty. 😅
 
I have been reading up a lot on various counter insurgency tactics, including ours. One that consistently pops up was Rhodesia. Much smaller forces using mobility to strike. apparently adapted some of our Vietnam strategy, but I haven't read up enough on the tactics of either to say which part works.

but even the Germans had pretty consistent issues. The French partisans, the Yugoslavian partisans in particular, Polish army. there was organized operational resistance aplenty.

The Japanese faced a little different of a situation and were smarter in their occupation. One they had some Chinese on their side from the start, leaving them in charge helped negate some resistance issues. Two, culturally asian countries aren't as independent once you drive out leaders, which is why the Vietnamese never gave up we never touched their leaders. Three, China was made up of various warlords, there wasn't much of an idea of a unified country to begin with, Japan was able to work with some of those warlords they "conquered". based on their previous occupations and interreference in Chinese governance it was doubtful that their strategy would have worked for a long time. Fourth, China was not industrialized at all, far easier to maintain control on a population that largely doesn't see much difference in a government from Beijing vs a government from Tokyo.

Japan still faced heavy resistance in China. I think the BIG difference was the lack of news flowing back to home front. In reality, USA wasn't losing that many soldiers in Afghanistan, etc. In Colonial Days, our troops would just stay their forever. That happened with the Philippines.
 
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Agree. It is really not worth it though because for one, it is morally wrong, and two, USA loses significant standing in the war.

USA's soft power puts us way ahead of China and Russia. I don't care what Ras and crew say, they are idiots. Most the world would back the USA against China/Russia if push came to shove.
You are correct in your last statement for sure.

You see, that is one of the huge reasons that hardcore, radical Muslims will always be around. They only care about their family, their money, and advancing their cause. Wipe all that out and it's over for them. They don't play by the rules and never will, so why should anyone else? They understand fear and money and that's about it.
 
Very few wars are "just" and when committing forces to war the ROE needs to be simple. WIN and GTFO.

POW's are a byproduct of war and yes, once captured they should be protected.
Agreed. Destroy them all and go home. No building schools, not trying to set up a government, no trying to make friends, none of that crap.
 
US politicians ‘don’t care’ about Ukraine – Zelensky

“Nobody cares how many people are dying in Ukraine every day. They only care about their approval ratings,” he added.
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True and true, 100% agree with him. So ****ing what? It was never about anyone caring about the Ukraine. The Ukraine is just a place for the world to piss in, some make money, some lose limbs, and some get three villas in the Med. Boring, get in there and fight bro.
 
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