War in Ukraine

[dalton_vol]

The United States is corrupt, the whole West is corrupt and a clown world. The issue here is Russia isn't telling the world lies to secure more taxpayer money from me.

What you do is admit that both sides are telling the truth because it doesn't matter. Ukraine is right, they are kicking ass and taking names like Rambo. If they want to sell it, I'm buying it. Problem solves itself.

Can't argue with that

 

[LSU-SIU]

Asked why the Biden admin is discouraging Ukraine from striking Russian energy infrastructure, Secretary Austin acknowledges that admin has concerns about how it will affect global energy markets.

Don't they have like 15 rounds of sanctions for that exact purpose?

I hope the Bidens are getting their cut. I mean, if a U.S. arm supplier is having a tough go, just have them sell some to Russia - that is what Hillary would do with your her normal 15% cut. Hell, Hillary would have already worked out the contracts for Shell to get back in there to repair the refineries.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

The only thing of interest to me is to seeing the time for half-life on these towns/villages at this point... half-life appears to be going down for sure. Russia is now running up on some bigger cities (Kharkiv), it will be interesting to see if they continue the same play and how long it takes.

The other thing is Macron and the UK, it appears they might be putting a plan together to send troops in to takeover guarding the Belarus border, thereby freeing up Ukrainian units to go East. Of course, they (French troops) would become the new Abraham tank prize, the thought process is the United States would have to bail out the French. idk Other than that this seems kind of fruitless and boring.

Its really a simple question.

If the United States sends $60 billion to the Ukraine, what is going to help them and how is that help different than the other $60 billion+?

How is France going to mobilize and supply their supposed 20k troops in Ukraine without getting blown away by Russian hypersonics?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Asked why the Biden admin is discouraging Ukraine from striking Russian energy infrastructure, Secretary Austin acknowledges that admin has concerns about how it will affect global energy markets.

Don't they have like 15 rounds of sanctions for that exact purpose?

I hope the Bidens are getting their cut. I mean, if a U.S. arm supplier is having a tough go, just have them sell some to Russia - that is what Hillary would do with your her normal 15% cut. Hell, Hillary would have already worked out the contracts for Shell to get back in there to repair the refineries.

More Russian LNG Being Exported to Europe Than Asia

The new data showing the rise in Russian LNG exports to the European Union indicates that Europe has replaced piped Russian gas from its eastern ports with Russian LNG at its western ports as the bloc becomes the biggest buyer of Russian LNG, clocking in half of all Russian LNG export volume this year so far, followed by China, which scooped up 21% as of February data.

These virtue signaling morons replaced cheap, reliable Russian pipeline gas for expensive, unreliable Russian LNG.

 

[BeardedVol]

How is France going to mobilize and supply their supposed 20k troops in Ukraine without getting blown away by Russian hypersonics?

Why hasn't Russia managed to "blow away" all of Ukraine's troops with wunderwaffes?

 

[LSU-SIU]

How is France going to mobilize and supply their supposed 20k troops in Ukraine without getting blown away by Russian hypersonics?

First it was 2,000 troops to help in the rear with support, now you are hearing Macron is coming up with the quite a few more for the Belarus border with possibly the UK. The thought is, draw the U.S. into the war by doing exactly that, exposing French troops. Russia keeps pointing out they will start to become priorities or similar wording. (we'll see) Macron believes the U.S. cares about them for some reason.

They are all trying to come up with a plan to stop a potential front line collapse. Russia probably doesn't care at this point, just liquidate all of them that get in front of the artillery. The comedian said they needed 25 Patriot systems yesterday, today you are getting rumors of a completely depleted AA system. You're seeing SU-25s in very close air support today on video. Its back to early war ballsy. We'll see how it pans out, I think someone better come up with something - most likely some nuclear thing, what else they got? Its been easy until now, those were the good ole days in 2022 and 2023, imo.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Why hasn't Russia managed to "blow away" all of Ukraine's troops with wunderwaffes?

I'm not speaking for him, but basically he is saying they won't be able to hide. Just because they are in the rear, they will become a priority target. Russia already took out quite a few Frenchies which is why Macron is mad with some of the other hypersonic hits. Russia knew exactly who they were and where they were.

 

[dalton_vol]

First it was 2,000 troops to help in the rear with support, now you are hearing Macron is coming up with the quite a few more for the Belarus border with possibly the UK. The thought is, draw the U.S. into the war by doing exactly that, exposing French troops. Russia keeps pointing out they will start to become priorities or similar wording. (we'll see) Macron believes the U.S. cares about them for some reason.

They are all trying to come up with a plan to stop a potential front line collapse. Russia probably doesn't care at this point, just liquidate all of them that get in front of the artillery. The comedian said they needed 25 Patriot systems yesterday, today you are getting rumors of a completely depleted AA system. You're seeing SU-25s in very close air support today on video. Its back to early war ballsy. We'll see how it pans out, I think someone better come up with something - most likely some nuclear thing, what else they got? Its been easy until now, those were the good ole days in 2022 and 2023, imo.

They should try to negotiate peace,

 

[dalton_vol]

Asked why the Biden admin is discouraging Ukraine from striking Russian energy infrastructure, Secretary Austin acknowledges that admin has concerns about how it will affect global energy markets.

Don't they have like 15 rounds of sanctions for that exact purpose?

I hope the Bidens are getting their cut. I mean, if a U.S. arm supplier is having a tough go, just have them sell some to Russia - that is what Hillary would do with your her normal 15% cut. Hell, Hillary would have already worked out the contracts for Shell to get back in there to repair the refineries.

It's tough for this regime to keep their lies straight.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Why don't the Germans and Ukrainians just go to the United States to get more Patriots? WTF are they scouring the planet looking for them when they know those are our domestic weapons systems? I mean, we are the United States, by God... Surely, we have the STEM and manufacturing capabilities to fill this order for Zelensky, right?

 

[LSU-SIU]

They should try to negotiate peace,

I fear its too late. Meaning can Russia take anything other than an unconditional surrender especially when the war machine is just starting up?

I mean, if I were Russia and the comedian said United States this or United States that or France this or France that, I would be like F you. That ain't going to work, all that ******** has already been tried. (just my take) The U.S. will be long gone if the Ukraine surrenders without their permission, even with their permission its hard to imagine the U.S. giving money for any major rebuild.

 

[BeardedVol]

'Russkiy mir'

 

[LouderVol]

Because when you present numbers that are higher than the amount of inventory than obviously you are winning. I don't need someone to tell me they are winning when they are simply providing the numbers. They obviously don't need assistance.

Ukraine: We killed 150m Russians but we're not winning.

If someone is providing those numbers as truth than they are winning because the Ukraine certainly didn't lose even close that amount of equipment. Everyone is Rambo until they start to come looking for money or meat.

All of sudden the Ukraine is losing, news to me... they look like they are kicking ass. Maybe give them $100 billion they can go right across Russia and just take over China while they;re at it. I mean at this rate they can probably destroy all the tanks in the world in about 10 years. Why stop there, just take over North Korea... they can solve everything.

To be honest, the only number that is important is how many shovels the Russians have lost.

again the bolded is simply not true. Every source I have been able to find listed Russian stockpiles going into the 12k tanks range AT THE MINIMUM. and those stockpiles didn't include the T55s which we are seeing on the battlefield. so clearly Russia has drastically expanded what they are drawing from, which speaks towards desperation.

we have seen the Russians do this too. early on they were claiming to have destroyed the 4 Patriot Systems we sent over 6 separate times. and then they were still shooting down missiles even after the 6th time. and all of that was after Russia claimed to be blowing up all the supplies as they entered Ukraine. We have also seen it with claims on kills of various barracks or supply depots that include far more men or supplies than could reasonably be expected in there.

war numbers ALWAYS include fudge. this isn't a movie or a video game, the numbers are never real. if you knew what you are pretending to know about war you would know this, and not be bothered by this specific source. as I suggested to someone else, apply whatever "truth" factor you want. If you think these numbers are 2x reality, just look at the numbers they present and cut them in half. personally they have always seemed high to me by about 1/3, so when I think about it I just take that out.

and considering we don't know what these numbers mean, nor how many the totals are the EXACT number presented, truth factor or not, it is meaningless as far as wanting to come to an argument about specifics. smart people can look at those numbers and read general trends, notice outliers, and if they were really compelled they could compare them to known numbers of assets.

don't get bent out of shape about it.

 

[LouderVol]

Why don't the Germans and Ukrainians just go to the United States to get more Patriots? WTF are they scouring the planet looking for them when they know those are our domestic weapons systems? I mean, we are the United States, by God... Surely, we have the STEM and manufacturing capabilities to fill this order for Zelensky, right?

you mean similar to the Russians now being two years behind schedule in delivering S-400s to India? and that's after the original delivery was already set back, and the contract later renegotiated where Russia had to agree to allowing India to build their own S-400s because they were so far behind previously.

"or instance, Russia informed India last month that it would be able to supply the remaining two squadrons of the S-400 long-range air defense missile system only by August 2026, two years behind the original schedule."

Despite S-400 Delay, Russia Supplies New Batch Of AD Systems To India That Made Big Impact In Ukraine War - Reports

A new batch of anti-aircraft systems from Russia could have been delivered to India at a time when Moscow’s capability to fulfill defense export orders has come under scrutiny. The delivery of the S-400 Triumf air defense system to New Delhi, for example, has fallen way behind schedule. As per...

www.eurasiantimes.com

 

[LSU-SIU]

again the bolded is simply not true. Every source I have been able to find listed Russian stockpiles going into the 12k tanks range AT THE MINIMUM. and those stockpiles didn't include the T55s which we are seeing on the battlefield. so clearly Russia has drastically expanded what they are drawing from, which speaks towards desperation.

we have seen the Russians do this too. early on they were claiming to have destroyed the 4 Patriot Systems we sent over 6 separate times. and then they were still shooting down missiles even after the 6th time. and all of that was after Russia claimed to be blowing up all the supplies as they entered Ukraine. We have also seen it with claims on kills of various barracks or supply depots that include far more men or supplies than could reasonably be expected in there.

war numbers ALWAYS include fudge. this isn't a movie or a video game, the numbers are never real. if you knew what you are pretending to know about war you would know this, and not be bothered by this specific source. as I suggested to someone else, apply whatever "truth" factor you want. If you think these numbers are 2x reality, just look at the numbers they present and cut them in half. personally they have always seemed high to me by about 1/3, so when I think about it I just take that out.

and considering we don't know what these numbers mean, nor how many the totals are the EXACT number presented, truth factor or not, it is meaningless as far as wanting to come to an argument about specifics. smart people can look at those numbers and read general trends, notice outliers, and if they were really compelled they could compare them to known numbers of assets.

don't get bent out of shape about it.

You're being passive aggressive with the whole, "don't get bent out of shape" thing, what that really means is you are getting bent out of shape. I am just yapping about the obvious.

No country on this planet maintains a fleet of 12,000 operating tanks. Its like counting old fighter planes parked mothballed in the desert. Its the same reason countries don't have big stockpiles of artillery shells sitting around. Not only do I believe Russia hasn't lost 7,000 tanks, I would be very surprised if both sides combine have lost half that many... I seriously doubt 7,000 tanks have been in that country since WW2. Regardless, if the numbers are correct or not..... its immaterial.

According to the Ukraine they have all this figured out, if they took all that out with just 30k of losses... literally they are best warriors this planet has ever seen. Imagine an army that is taking out the enemy 10-20:1?

So, my point is... how do these numbers help them? If the numbers are true, they don't need my money. If they are wrong, they don't need my money.

Russia isn't asking for my money, whether their numbers are correct is immaterial.

You can believe whatever you want, but just stick with it.... if the Ukraine took out 7,000 tanks, with so little.... I would expect them in Red Square by the weekend. I don't care if the numbers are correct or not. They can issue a statement they killed 200m Russians, cool, problem has fixed itself. Every time I see these numbers, I am simply like great, war is almost over and we don't need to give them money.

This probably has a long way to go, I guess things can happen to turn the tide but if you look at the chessboard its hard to imagine factors on the battlefield changing much unless something drastic or bizarre happens. I'm just confused as to why anyone in their right mind would release these numbers... at this stage they are very damaging and it doesn't matter if they are correct.

 

[508mikey]

This crap war needs to end

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[LouderVol]

You're being passive aggressive with the whole, "don't get bent out of shape" thing, what that really means is you are getting bent out of shape. I am just yapping about the obvious.

No country on this planet maintains a fleet of 12,000 operating tanks. Its like counting old fighter planes parked mothballed in the desert. Its the same reason countries don't have big stockpiles of artillery shells sitting around. Not only do I believe Russia hasn't lost 7,000 tanks, I would be very surprised if both sides combine have lost half that many... I seriously doubt 7,000 tanks have been in that country since WW2. Regardless, if the numbers are correct or not..... its immaterial.

According to the Ukraine they have all this figured out, if they took all that out with just 30k of losses... literally they are best warriors this planet has ever seen. Imagine an army that is taking out the enemy 10-20:1?

So, my point is... how do these numbers help them? If the numbers are true, they don't need my money. If they are wrong, they don't need my money.

Russia isn't asking for my money, whether their numbers are correct is immaterial.

You can believe whatever you want, but just stick with it.... if the Ukraine took out 7,000 tanks, with so little.... I would expect them in Red Square by the weekend. I don't care if the numbers are correct or not. They can issue a statement they killed 200m Russians, cool, problem has fixed itself. Every time I see these numbers, I am simply like great, war is almost over and we don't need to give them money.

This probably has a long way to go, I guess things can happen to turn the tide but if you look at the chessboard its hard to imagine factors on the battlefield changing much unless something drastic or bizarre happens. I'm just confused as to why anyone in their right mind would release these numbers... at this stage they are very damaging and it doesn't matter if they are correct.

These numbers are very damaging? to what or who?

the US/West has never based their support on these numbers. thats just something you made up. I very much doubt these are numbers released from some western briefing, its publically accessible numbers, released for public consumption. Its called journalism. is it slanted, sure. is it damaging? nope.

the source who releases them doesn't make any claims about what they mean, or if Ukraine is winning if they kill X number of Russians. Not sure why someone who does support giving stuff to Ukraine would suddenly stop supporting Ukraine because of this.

and its called a stockpile. that means they aren't active. I say you are bent out of shape because you are twisting the direct words I say into something else you can argue, while ignoring the real points I am making. if you are wanting to be obtuse and for some reason only stick to the number of tanks that were active at the start even Russian sources noted they have lost 3k tanks, which would have been their total ACTIVE, not stockpiled, tanks.

 

[LSU-SIU]

These numbers are very damaging? to what or who?

the US/West has never based their support on these numbers. thats just something you made up. I very much doubt these are numbers released from some western briefing, its publically accessible numbers, released for public consumption. Its called journalism. is it slanted, sure. is it damaging? nope.

the source who releases them doesn't make any claims about what they mean, or if Ukraine is winning if they kill X number of Russians. Not sure why someone who does support giving stuff to Ukraine would suddenly stop supporting Ukraine because of this.

and its called a stockpile. that means they aren't active. I say you are bent out of shape because you are twisting the direct words I say into something else you can argue, while ignoring the real points I am making. if you are wanting to be obtuse and for some reason only stick to the number of tanks that were active at the start even Russian sources noted they have lost 3k tanks, which would have been their total ACTIVE, not stockpiled, tanks.

What does this have to do with the US? The Ukrainians have it all handled, matter of fact, this should already be over... .greatest military victory in the history of world.

There is nothing to argue about these are Ukrainian numbers, I say they are correct, cool, problem should be solved. The war should wrap up very soon. Not only do they not need anyone's help, we probably need their help.

 

[LouderVol]

What does this have to do with the US? The Ukrainians have it all handled, matter of fact, this should already be over... .greatest military victory in the history of world.

There is nothing to argue about these are Ukrainian numbers, I say they are correct, cool, problem should be solved. The war should wrap up very soon. Not only do they not need anyone's help, we probably need their help.

where did I say it had anything to do with the US? while you are digging, try and find me calling for us to give anything to Ukraine. money, weapons, men. Only thing I have pushed is SELLING, never giving.

like I said you are twisting what I am saying, which is why I think you are bothered.

 

[LSU-SIU]

the US/West has never based their support on these numbers

Where the US uses those numbers or not is not material, the Ukrainians clearly don't need the assistance.

They don't have money to buy anything.

I am unclear as to what your point is.

 

[LouderVol]

Where the US uses those numbers or not is not material, the Ukrainians clearly don't need the assistance.

They don't have money to buy anything.

I am unclear as to what your point is.

my point is you have made up a non-existent point to joust with windmills.

 

[LSU-SIU]

my point is you have made up a non-existent point to joust with windmills.

Its a simple observation, the Ukraine by their own numbers are kicking ass the world has never seen. I mean they must be all Rambos over there, I accept their version of the events. Who I am to argue with them?

The problem will naturally work itself out.

I'm not arguing about numbers or anything else, I accept as truth the Ukraine description of the situation.

I am very unclear as to what your problem is to be honest, the Ukrainians can put down 100,000 tanks destroy.... what I said still stands, if any thing it just makes it worse. Heck, put down 1 million tanks wherever they can find them, how does that help exactly?

Who am I to argue that they're the best Rambo/Terminators combos to ever exist? Cool, than this whole situation should resolve itself.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

“Most U.S. systems really aren't built for a real war.“

Yet the US is the largest weapons exporter by a huge margin and their weapons are sought by pretty much anyone wanting to arm their country or drug cartel.

We were expecting moronic hot takes and we are not disappointed

US worried its drones failed to turn tide in Ukraine – WSJ

The WSJ noted that US companies still lack a significant presence in the first war where small drones are playing a critical role. US-made UAVs tend to be expensive, faulty and complicated to repair, say drone company executives, the Ukrainians on the front line, Ukrainian government officials and former US military officials.

Lacking solutions in the West, Ukraine has turned to cheaper Chinese products to supplement its drone arsenal.

Quote from Skydio Chief Executive Adam Bry: "The general reputation for every class of U.S. drone in Ukraine is that they don’t work as well as other systems."

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

US worried its drones failed to turn tide in Ukraine – WSJ

The WSJ noted that US companies still lack a significant presence in the first war where small drones are playing a critical role. US-made UAVs tend to be expensive, faulty and complicated to repair, say drone company executives, the Ukrainians on the front line, Ukrainian government officials and former US military officials.

Lacking solutions in the West, Ukraine has turned to cheaper Chinese products to supplement its drone arsenal.

Quote from Skydio Chief Executive Adam Bry: "The general reputation for every class of U.S. drone in Ukraine is that they don’t work as well as other systems."

China appears to be arming both sides of the conflict...