'10 WA QB Jake Heaps

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I think we are still very much in it. All the "experts" saying he is staying out west are guessing just like I am. If he wants to get to the NFL or contend for championships, he comes to UT.
 
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"Contend for championships" - blind homerism.

"Get to the NFL" - Chaney and Kiffin have a very good record of putting QB's in positions to be successful in the pros. IMO, those coaches prepare him better than his other choices.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
how can you support this comment.
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Well out of Jake Heaps top five Cal, BYU, and Washington don't really produce NFL Caliber quarterbacks. That only leaves Tennessee and LSU. The only diffrence is Tennessee has more coaches with NFL experince then LSU does.
 
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gorockytop said:
Well out of Jake Heaps top five Cal, BYU, and Washington don't really produce NFL Caliber quarterbacks. That only leaves Tennessee and LSU. The only diffrence is Tennessee has more coaches with NFL experince then LSU does.
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preposterous. NFL QBs come from all levels of the collegiate football ranks. UT produced Manning and little else.

How about the championships?
 
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gorockytop said:
Well out of Jake Heaps top five Cal, BYU, and Washington don't really produce NFL Caliber quarterbacks. That only leaves Tennessee and LSU. The only diffrence is Tennessee has more coaches with NFL experince then LSU does.
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tedford has 6 first round draft picks. how about kiffen?
 
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I said that the championships was blind homerism, nothing more.

I'm talking about preparing him for success in the NFL from a coaching standpoint. Sarkisian would be close to Kiffin, but Chaney puts us over the edge with Brees and Orton.
 
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Unless Scroggins leaves camp a Vol, I believe we are going a different direction. Heaps is UW/BYU and I think he goes to Washington. Like I said previously, if he does go to BYU it won't be primarily for his faith but for prolific stats and Heisman attention later on. I just kinda of find it funny how much emphasis is being placed on the three QB's that are in the limelight first and it's either them or we suck kinda mentality for most if we don't land one or two of them.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Unless Scroggins leaves camp a Vol, I believe we are going a different direction. Heaps is UW/BYU and I think he goes to Washington. Like I said previously, if he does go to BYU it won't be primarily for his faith but for prolific stats and Heisman attention later on. I just kinda of find it funny how much emphasis is being placed on the three QB's that are in the limelight first and it's either them or we suck kinda mentality for most if we don't land one or two of them.
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The reason it's either them or we suck is because the talent drop off behind the "name" guys is tremendous. If Kiffin wanted to bring in an average QB, he could have done it in the last class. They are looking for an impact player.

USC is the school that most concerns me with Scroggins. I don't have any idea how you can put a "camp" deadline on him though. That's just silly.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just kinda of find it funny how much emphasis is being placed on the three QB's that are in the limelight first and it's either them or we suck kinda mentality for most if we don't land one or two of them.
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That's how you can tell who just started following recruiting this year. :thumbsup:

I want Scroggins bad (and I think he is ours to lose) but there are a lot of other fish in the QB sea right now.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
The reason it's either them or we suck is because the talent drop off behind the "name" guys is tremendous. If Kiffin wanted to bring in an average QB, he could have done it in the last class. They are looking for an impact player.

USC is the school that most concerns me with Scroggins.
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I just find it laughable that we have to get one of those three guys though. There are other talents out there, and honestly this is a REALLY down year for QB's. I don't know if they will chance taking a big name and possibly scare off someone for later. I just think it's too early to be giving up on the QB search if one of these guys don't commit. Let's just see how things pan out for June Camps and see if they evaluate someone they believe to be better than the Big Three.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I just find it laughable that we have to get one of those three guys though. There are other talents out there, and honestly this is a REALLY down year for QB's. I don't know if they will chance taking a big name and possibly scare off someone for later. I just think it's too early to be giving up on the QB search if one of these guys don't commit. Let's just see how things pan out for June Camps and see if they evaluate someone they believe to be better than the Big Three.
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Dude, you can only put off getting a QB for so long and I think looking at having one scholarship QB on the roster next year would create a sense of urgency at the position. They aren't just going to take anyone just to get a name guy next year. They want guys that can play. This staff will get it done. Scroggins and Hendrix are both very realistic possibilities. Some of you forget the recruiters we have on this staff. They won't rest until they get the guy they want.
 
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orange_swarm said:
That's how you can tell who just started following recruiting this year. :thumbsup:

I want Scroggins bad (and I think he is ours to lose) but there are a lot of other fish in the QB sea right now.
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I've caught Big Fish that don't fight very much and it wasn't very fun, but I've caught average size fish that put up a great fight. Same thing can be said about QB's. Some just don't translate good to the next level even though they are bigger names and were ranked higher than others. I like those scrappy guys that are lower ranked and want to make a difference and work hard to get better. I don't think there is a Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford in this class, but it's way too early to give up on this staff from turning over that rock and seeing a prize underneath.
 
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I've felt more confident about Heaps lately. He himself said that whenever somebody says he's "leaning" toward BYU or UW, its all speculation and that they pretty much have no idea what they're talking about. I think (hope) that he ends up a Vol. Jake's a smart kid, and if he thinks through his decision and wants to eventually get to the NFL, play early, and have a chance to win in a major conference he'll come to UT. I just hope that his faith doesn't eventually push him to BYU, but thats certainly a big possibility.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
The reason it's either them or we suck is because the talent drop off behind the "name" guys is tremendous. If Kiffin wanted to bring in an average QB, he could have done it in the last class. They are looking for an impact player.

USC is the school that most concerns me with Scroggins.
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I think that has been overblown. It has less to do with talent dropoff and a lot to do with the amount of exposure. Bortles has all the upside of Hendrix but just hasn't had the attention, for instance.

IMO Heaps and Scroggins are the "impact" players, because they are our only QB targets that could possibly play as freshmen. I think Hendrix has lots of upside but there are plenty of other QBs in this class with tons of upside. So really I'm hoping to land either Heaps or Scroggins this summer. But if that doesn't happen I won't be too worried because I'm not sure either could beat out Stephens next year, so it won't be a big deal if we take a few QB recruits who need a developmental year or two.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Dude, you can only put off getting a QB for so long and I think looking at having one scholarship QB on the roster next year would create a sense of urgency at the position. They aren't just going to take anyone just to get a name guy next year. They want guys that can play. This staff will get it done. Scroggins and Hendrix are both very realistic possibilities. Some of you forget the recruiters we have on this staff. They won't rest until they get the guy they want.
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Which is why I will wait and not put my eggs in the Big Three basket because of the fact our guys can find talent. :thumbsup:
 
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orange_swarm said:
I think that has been overblown. It has less to do with talent dropoff and a lot to do with the amount of exposure. Bortles has all the upside of Hendrix but just hasn't had the attention, for instance.

IMO Heaps and Scroggins are the "impact" players, because they are our only QB targets that could possibly play as freshmen. I think Hendrix has lots of upside but there are plenty of other QBs in this class with tons of upside. So really I'm hoping to land either Heaps or Scroggins this summer. But if that doesn't happen I won't be too worried because I'm not sure either could beat out Stephens next year, so it won't be a big deal if we take a few QB recruits who need a developmental year or two.
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Bortles is not a starter at this level in the SEC. There aren't that many of those guys in this class. I don't think you guys realize there really isn't a star guy in this QB class outside of the names we are all regurgitating on this board night and day. I've seen a lot of film and no one comes close to the talent of Scroggins/Heaps/Hendrix out of the uncommitted guys.

Going JuCo is a real possibility. I can tell you for definite certain that the coaches do not like the options at QB outside of the guys they have already offered.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
Bortles is not a starter at this level in the SEC. There aren't that many of those guys in this class. I don't think you guys realize there really isn't a star guy in this QB class outside of the names we are all regurgitating on this board night and day. I've seen a lot of film and no one comes close to the talent of Scroggins/Heaps/Hendrix out of the uncommitted guys.

Going JuCo is a real possibility. I can tell you for definite certain that the coaches do not like the options at QB outside of the guys they have already offered.
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This class has an entire season of football left to play. Scroggins could go to the shitter and Hendrix could put up Heapsian numbers for all we know. It's too early to say the QB talent is down all the way across the board. There are guys that are (eventual) SEC starter material not named Heaps, Scroggins, or Hendrix. What if Scroggins and Hendrix were 3* instead of 4*, which could have easily happened with Rivals' notoriously finicky initial evaluations. Then it would be Heaps or bust for the same people that are Heaps/Scroggins/Hendrix or bust now.

I don't think the coaches completely hate their options outside of who we offered. They've just offered the first choices. A lot of the other QB recruits haven't even been evaluated extensively yet because of this. The staff is waiting to see what happens with the first choices and waiting to fully evaluate and offer the rest at camp, so they can concentrate their efforts on the spectrum of recruits instead of evaluating 60 QBs. That's why you see so many recruits saying TN is recruiting them the hardest. They are concentrating their efforts on the first tier of recruits they want, which works conveniently with using camps to sort out the rest of the recruits.
 
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orange_swarm said:
This class has an entire season of football left to play. Scroggins could go to the shitter and Hendrix could put up Heapsian numbers for all we know. It's too early to say the QB talent is down all the way across the board. There are guys that are (eventual) SEC starter material not named Heaps, Scroggins, or Hendrix. What if Scroggins and Hendrix were 3* instead of 4*, which could have easily happened with Rivals' notoriously finicky initial evaluations. Then it would be Heaps or bust for the same people that are Heaps/Scroggins/Hendrix or bust.

I don't think the coaches completely hate their options outside of who we offered. They've just offered the first choices. A lot of the other QB recruits haven't even been evaluated extensively yet because of this. The staff is waiting to see what happens with the first choices and waiting to fully evaluate and offer the rest at camp, so they can concentrate their efforts on the spectrum of recruits instead of evaluating 60 QBs.
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It has nothing at all to do with stars. Nothing. And I have heard from multiple people close to the coaches that they don't like their options outside of the guys they've offered. That's from the coaches' mouths.
 
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But they won't even know all their options until camps are finished!

Just because some dudes on a message board said the coaches said this or that, doesn't mean they actually did. Of course you probably know that. If I was telling someone about the QB recruiting situation, I too would probably say I don't like the options outside of who we've offered. So I could see the coaches saying that. It will take a lot more digging and legwork to find suitable guys out 'the rest' of the QB recruits, so why would I like that option?

There are diamond in the rough 2010 QB recruits. Heaps/Scroggins/Hendrix are not the only ones with SEC starter potential. I would something like 'mark it down' but that's pretty worthless. But sursly, mark it down somewhere
 
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And I know it has nothing to do with stars for you and the other grizzled veterans of the VN recruiting forum.

I was trying to say I think most people who follow recruiting casually are more heavily influenced by stars than they realize. To be more specific, I don't think their opinions are based solely on stars and such, but rather those things are largely responsible for subconsciously shaping the casual recruit follower's opinions on players. If Hendrix was a 3*, a lot fewer of those people would want him. Obviously not the way it should be but that's the way it is. The human mind is always searching for basic truths to serve as the foundation for one's opinions and beliefs and I think Rivals stars act as the foundation for most casual recruit followers, whether they realize it or not. Because the star system is simple, easy to remember, and easily accessible.

To draw the line for "casual recruit followers," the lowlife, daily inhabitants of the VN recruiting forum shall henceforth be known as x-treme recruiting masters.
 
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