War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia is "losing" a war, yet held "sham" elections in March 2024 = Dictatorship

Ukraine is "winning" a war, yet elections will NOT be held in March 2024 = Democracy
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Ukraine is under martial law, and their constitution specifically states that no elections are to be held under martial law.

If you were really concerned about those elections occuring, then you'd be calling on Russia to remove its soldiers from the internationally-recognized territory of Ukraine so that the state of martial law can be ended.

You're not concerned about Ukrainian elections occuring though, it's just another instance of you concern trolling.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Russia is "losing" a war, yet held "sham" elections in March 2024 = Dictatorship

Ukraine is "winning" a war, yet elections will NOT be held in March 2024 = Democracy
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one of the key parts of being a democracy is following your Constitution. Ukraine is doing that. what you want them to do would NOT be following their Constitution, which would make them more of a dictatorship.
 
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hog88 said:
France needs to be on their own for this. No article 5 even if Russia attacks France.
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this is where its going to get interesting.

I agree that if France is sending troops to fight they are opening themselves up to attack, without the ability to call up Article 5. I still think you will see some other nations jump in without Article 5 dragging anyone.

Where it gets sticky, is how is Russia going to attack France? Fly aircraft, missiles, drones, all the way around NATO airspace into the Atlantic then attack the west coast of France? Because I think Article 5 gets really easy for any other NATO nation that an armed Russian "object" travels through their air space to go attack someone else. I guess we can see what the Russian subs are capable of.
 
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Some of these countries have invested a lot of money and material so, I wouldn't be surprised by any country in Europe sending troops. IMO it wouldn't take much more for this to happen and several countries would follow IMO.
 
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TVOLS said:
Some of these countries have invested a lot of money and material so, I wouldn't be surprised by any country in Europe sending troops. IMO it wouldn't take much more for this to happen and several countries would follow IMO.
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I'm 50/50 on that. Part of me says this is just bluff and bluster to save face, Part of me thinks there's someone dumb enough to try it.
 
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TVOLS said:
Some of these countries have invested a lot of money and material so, I wouldn't be surprised by any country in Europe sending troops. IMO it wouldn't take much more for this to happen and several countries would follow IMO.
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I am on board when Thailand is ready to make a move.
 
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This guy is a POS. Imagine some foreign politician coming over here to shame us into going out to fight in some war?

Lindsey Graham Faces Backlash Over Ukraine Mobilization Call

Within this context, Graham expressed his concern that younger Ukrainians were not being urged to join the war given the existential fight their country was facing.

"I would hope that those eligible to serve in the Ukrainian military would join," he said. "I can't believe it's at 27."

"You're in a fight for your life, so you should be serving—not at 25 or 27," he said. "We need more people in the line," he said. Newsweek has contacted Graham's office for comment.

However, pro-Ukrainian social media users took issue with his demand to Kyiv. "Ukrainians themselves decide who will be sent to the front," posted user Poslanik Mira on X.
 
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LouderVol said:
Where it gets sticky, is how is Russia going to attack France? Fly aircraft, missiles, drones, all the way around NATO airspace into the Atlantic then attack the west coast of France?
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That's what submarines are for...

LouderVol said:
Because I think Article 5 gets really easy for any other NATO nation that an armed Russian "object" travels through their air space to go attack someone else. I guess we can see what the Russian subs are capable of.
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Hmmmm... you just put a thought in my head that France doing this does establish a tripwire for Russia if they do lob cruise missiles over NATO airspace. But if has gotten to the point where a NATO country decides to provoke in that manner, I doubt Russia would care what the NATO response would be.
 
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NATO's Alliance is based on defense, not aggression. Sending troops into a war on a side is aggression. No one is obligated to help France if things get heated.
 
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LouderVol said:
He seems to dip in and out. he will go months without acknowledging a post, then he will necro a thread and quote me, or do it directly like here.
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He’s on record that he has us both blocked. Said it multiple times. Clearly that’s a lie. Like I said he can’t help it he has to see the responses 😂
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That's what submarines are for...


Hmmmm... you just put a thought in my head that France doing this does establish a tripwire for Russia if they do lob cruise missiles over NATO airspace. But if has gotten to the point where a NATO country decides to provoke in that manner, I doubt Russia would care what the NATO response would be.
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as a for instance, I don't think Poland shooting down a Russian cruise missile heading from the Russian mainland to mainland France (directly over Poland), is a provocation by Poland. That's provocation by Russia. Russia would certainly take exception to Poland launching missiles at North Korea and them going over Russia.

Now if Russia starts playing chicken with NATO while attacking France, it does get interesting. example would be a Russian bomber flying from Russia towards France is on a straight line over Poland. But before they get to the border Russia zigs and stays in international space, and Poland still takes aggressive action, that would be provocation by Poland. Russia would have baited them, but Poland has to take it. of course it gets tricky with determining whose airspace one is actually in at any exact moment.

If NATO was playing by the books they would take a similar stance on any French aircraft heading to attack Russia over their airspace. I don't think they would ever shoot them down, but I would expect them to at the very least shepherd them back out of their airspace. same would go for any Russian friendly nation like Belarus that is in the way. you allow the passage of active mission military assets over your airspace you are asking for trouble.
 
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"stalemate"

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