War in Ukraine

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LouderVol said:
and another possibility is that Ukraine wasn't willing to accept Russia's terms which included far far more than just neutrality as you tried to claim previously. the Ukrainians have a very long history of suffering under the Russians and they probably didn't want to take that chance again.

even if your scenario was correct so what? The Ukrainians still had to make a decision. Trust the Russians, or trust the west. considering we haven't invaded them and occupied their territory, I can see why they were willing to trust us. and I am not sure how us being willing to back their fight makes us the bad guys. Its the weird Russian based American Exceptionalism that makes no sense from Ras.
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Just one more Holdomor and a few more mass deportations and Ukrainians could have lived in peace under a Russian dictatorship. Cruel Americans and Boris Johnson tricking them out of that golden ticket.
 
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Sadly, the Russians "killing" Abrams tanks and Patriot systems is far more effective in Ukraine than the Israelis "killing" 30k human beings in Gaza.
 
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Since no one bothered to answer why she was there. Maybe this will garner a response.

But she was just hosting a bake sale over there for the hungry protestors right?
 
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Christian Lowe said:


Since no one bothered to answer why she was there. Maybe this will garner a response.

But she was just hosting a bake sale over there for the hungry protestors right?
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Ah yes the famous Nuland phone call, recorded on 1/25/2014, where she discussed the offer that Yanukovych made to the opposition the same day.

How absolutely scandalous of her.

Scandalous I say...
www.irishtimes.com

Ukraine’s embattled president offers PM post to opposition

Protesters to be considered ‘extremists’ if they refuse to leave central Kiev
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com
 
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Christian Lowe said:
Holy hell. Did you even listen to the call?
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Listen to it, my good man, I've even read the transcript in all of its scandalous glory.

www.bbc.com

Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call

A transcript of the alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt discussing the crisis in Ukraine.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Which part in particular did you find damning in its content?
 
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Christian Lowe said:


Since no one bothered to answer why she was there. Maybe this will garner a response.

But she was just hosting a bake sale over there for the hungry protestors right?
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I've and others have posted this before and the degenerates still say there is nothing here to suggest that this was evidence of the US orchestrating a coup in Ukraine.
 
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The situation is bleak for Ukraine. Russia is making gains all across the contact line, Ukraine is falling back into defensive positions that are weaker than the ones they left, man power is drying up and equipment is drying up. This is what demilitarization looks like.

Welcome to western foreign policy in 2024.

 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Ras is a huge fan of people that attack their neighbors.
Not so much a fan of the country’s that fight back.

That’s how some Muslim groups think.
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Russia/Ukraine and Palestine/Israel arent comparable in any real way.

How about the west being against collective punishment, unless they are the ones doing it?
 
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volgr said:
Russia/Ukraine and Palestine/Israel arent comparable in any real way.

How about the west being against collective punishment, unless they are the ones doing it?
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And yet Ras can’t stop comparing them.

How about we stop paying for all this **** and mind our own business for a change
 
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For those who scoff at Russia's high kill to death ratio, explain how Russia has at least a 3:1 advantage in shells, have better trained operators as Ukrainian forces continue to be depleted and have air superiority.


 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is it a 3:1 or 7:1 advantage??? Who do I trust, Zero Hedge (Russian mouthpiece) or Business Insider (legitimate media)?

Russian manufacturers are making up to 7 times as much ammunition as Western arms makers, Estonian defense official says
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Lol, the NAFO trolls will call both Russian propaganda. Zero Hedge was using a NATO report, so if NATO is saying 3:1 it is likely quite a bit larger. Either way, even if it were 3:1, one would expect a 3:1 k/d with everything else being equal (which it isnt). Factor in operator skill, air superiority, combined arms skill, etc and the k:d becomes quite high.
 
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Anybody with a lick of sense knew how this was going to turn out. We’ve pissed away $44 billion so far to yet another lost cause. Chyt-4-brains perfect record for f@&*king up every thing he’s ever touched remains intact.
 
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