War in Ukraine

[jp1]

Here is the unvarnished truth at this point:

1. NATO is a paper tiger (outside of lobbing nukes)
2. Russia can/will take what it wants to take of Ukraine
3. There is not enough WILL in the United States to keep the Ukraine project going
4. There is not enough MEANS in Europe to keep the Ukraine project going
5. There is not enough of EITHER in the rest of the world to keep the Ukraine project going
6. Russia has gotten STRONGER since February 2022, not WEAKER

How do you beat your chest with #2 in here, then travel to the Israel versus Palestinians thread and spew out the blood thirsty Zionist crap?

 

[NorthDallas40]

How do you beat your chest with #2 in here, then travel to the Israel versus Palestinians thread and spew out the blood thirsty Zionist crap?

It’s actually quite simple. He’s a hypocrite

 

[KB5252]

How do you beat your chest with #2 in here, then travel to the Israel versus Palestinians thread and spew out the blood thirsty Zionist crap?

But that's different........

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Russia 'destroys two $400m Patriot surface-to-air missile systems'

The Russians have called it the first video-confirmed destruction of the Patriot complex displayed by Ukraine. Each system costs $400million, while missiles can cost up to $6million each.

www.dailymail.co.uk

that aint good.

MIC can't make weapons fast enough. No amount of money... whether it is $60 billion or $600 billion can get weapons and soldiers on the Ukrainian front lines soon enough. No one in NATO has the soldiers or the industrial capacity to continue this conflict with Russia. No one...

 

[MontyPython]

MIC can't make weapons fast enough. No amount of money... whether it is $60 billion or $600 billion can get weapons and soldiers on the Ukrainian front lines soon enough. No one in NATO has the soldiers or the industrial capacity to continue this conflict with Russia. No one...

It was not an entire Patriot System worth around $400 million that was reportedly destroyed but rather two Patriot launchers, which cost $10 million each.

Meanwhile, Russia's AWACs done gone MIA.

 

[dalton_vol]

MIC can't make weapons fast enough. No amount of money... whether it is $60 billion or $600 billion can get weapons and soldiers on the Ukrainian front lines soon enough. No one in NATO has the soldiers or the industrial capacity to continue this conflict with Russia. No one...

that's why we'll eventually have troops on the ground.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

have you thought about volunteering general war hawk? if it's our business, then we need to start sending troops immediately.

This, but unironically.

For those about to say “then go volunteer,” 10 years of service and a combat branch here.

 

[hog88]

This, but unironically.

For those about to say “then go volunteer,” 10 years of service and a combat branch here.

Then you should know that we have absolutely no business sending troops.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

Then you should know that we have absolutely no business sending troops.

You should probably look at how many soldiers are already in Poland.

 

[hog88]

You should probably look at how many soldiers are already in Poland.

What does that have to do with sending US troops into Ukraine? Nobody is shooting at them in Poland.

 

[WestTennesseeVol]

What does that have to do with sending US troops into Ukraine? Nobody is shooting at them in Poland.

I’m not gonna go down the rabbit hole here, but I assume you think Russia stops at Ukraine and status quo remains, just with more tanks rolling along the Poland - Ukraine/Russian border.

But let’s assume they don’t and Russia wants to get the ole USSR gang back together. Now you see why having troops in Poland is relevant.

It doesn’t take a PhD in strategic studies to know why we have soldiers there. They may be in Poland, but let’s be real, their main purpose is as a deterrent to Russia.

 

[PKT_VOL]

Here is the unvarnished truth at this point:

1. NATO is a paper tiger (outside of lobbing nukes)
2. Russia can/will take what it wants to take of Ukraine
3. There is not enough WILL in the United States to keep the Ukraine project going
4. There is not enough MEANS in Europe to keep the Ukraine project going
5. There is not enough of EITHER in the rest of the world to keep the Ukraine project going
6. Russia has gotten STRONGER since February 2022, not WEAKER

1. Horrendously, hilariously false.
2. Demonstrably false.
3. Looking more true everyday.
4. Demonstrably false.
5. True.
6. Demonstrably false.

Typically, 2 for 6 isn't bad in baseball. However, in your case, the other 4 aren't valiant efforts but embarrassing fails.

 

[PKT_VOL]

I’m not gonna go down the rabbit hole here, but I assume you think Russia stops at Ukraine and status quo remains, just with more tanks rolling along the Poland - Ukraine/Russian border.

But let’s assume they don’t and Russia wants to get the ole USSR gang back together. Now you see why having troops in Poland is relevant.

It doesn’t take a PhD in strategic studies to know why we have soldiers there. They may be in Poland, but let’s be real, their main purpose is as a deterrent to Russia.

Russia isn't taking on Poland after a hypothetical success in Ukraine. Their next move would be the Suwałki Gap.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Russia isn't taking on Poland after a hypothetical success in Ukraine. Their next move would be the Suwałki Gap.

They wouldn’t do anything. There is zero evidence or even probable cause to assume putin would advance beyond ukraine. It’s been known for decades that ukraine was Russia’s red line. We crossed it over and over. We antagonized and caused this entire war. Putin isn’t some mad man who did this on a whim, and he isn’t out for world domination.

He just doesn’t want NATO on his doorstep. It’s understandable.

 

[volfanhill]

They wouldn’t do anything. There is zero evidence or even probable cause to assume putin would advance beyond ukraine. It’s been known for decades that ukraine was Russia’s red line. We crossed it over and over. We antagonized and caused this entire war. Putin isn’t some mad man who did this on a whim, and he isn’t out for world domination.

He just doesn’t want NATO on his doorstep. It’s understandable.

Jesus

 

[Christian Lowe]

Jesus

They admit it.

 

[BeardedVol]

They wouldn’t do anything. There is zero evidence or even probable cause to assume putin would advance beyond ukraine. It’s been known for decades that ukraine was Russia’s red line. We crossed it over and over. We antagonized and caused this entire war. Putin isn’t some mad man who did this on a whim, and he isn’t out for world domination.

He just doesn’t want NATO on his doorstep. It’s understandable.

This is nonsense, and has been debunked numerous times.

Prior to 2/24/2022, Ukraine had zero chance of getting into NATO.

Even a after Russia began the invasion in 2014, Ukraine still had zero chance of even getting a vote.

They were never given a MAP, which France, Germany, and even Italy insisted they must be given by NATO prior to consideration, and both France and Germany were on record stating they would both veto any attempt to give Ukraine a MAP.

Putin choosing to invade Ukraine is not, and never has been about NATO.

Nato allies divided over Ukraine and Georgia

At least six members oppose US push for new formula that would put countries on slow path to membership

www.theguardian.com

 

[Christian Lowe]

This was s nonsense, and has been debunked numerous times.

Prior to 2/24/2022, Ukraine had zero chance of getting into NATO.

Even a after Russia began the invasion in 2014, Ukraine still had zero chance of even getting a vote.

They were never given a MAP, which France, Germany, and even Italy insisted they must be given by NATO prior to consideration, and both France and Germany were on record stating they would both veto any attempt to give Ukraine a MAP.

Putin choosing to invade Ukraine is not, and never has been about NATO.

Nato allies divided over Ukraine and Georgia

At least six members oppose US push for new formula that would put countries on slow path to membership

www.theguardian.com

The 2014 invasion was caused by a coup we backed that ousted their democratically elected leader.

It is about NATO. We’ve been meddling in their country when they’ve explicitly said it’s a red line since the late 1990’s.

 

[volfanhill]

The 2014 invasion was caused by a coup we backed that ousted their democratically elected leader.

It is about NATO. We’ve been meddling in their country when they’ve explicitly said it’s a red line since the late 1990’s.

Oh you are so sad

 

[BeardedVol]

The 2014 invasion was caused by a coup we backed that ousted their democratically elected leader.

It is about NATO. We’ve been meddling in their country when they’ve explicitly said it’s a red line since the late 1990’s.

No it was not.

Yanukovych ordered the Berkut to open fire on protesters, and then absconded to Russia, and was voted out by the Rada, including members of his own party, when he abandoned the presidency.

You're literally just regurgitating 10 years old nonsense.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Oh you are so sad

I think it’s sad to back a war in a corrupt country that doesn’t benefit us at all because Raytheon wants more money. But you do you.

 

[BeardedVol]

I think it’s sad to back a war in a corrupt country that doesn’t benefit us at all because Raytheon wants more money. But you do you.

Raytheon didn't make Putin for invade Ukraine in 2014.

 

[Christian Lowe]

No it was not.

Yanukovych ordered the Berkut to open fire on protesters, and then absconded to Russia, and was voted out by the Rada, including members of his own party, when he abandoned the presidency.

You're literally just regurgitating 10 years old nonsense.

The Maidan Revolution being boiled down to “peaceful protestors were killed then the president ran away” is insane lmfao. The protestors weren’t peaceful. It was a coup.

 

[volfanhill]

I think it’s sad to back a war in a corrupt country that doesn’t benefit us at all because Raytheon wants more money. But you do you.

I never said I backed the war. Peruse the thread. You swallowing all Putn wants is laughable.

 

[Christian Lowe]

Raytheon didn't make Putin for invade Ukraine in 2014.

No, US meddling did.