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BowlBrother85 said:
Cue the attacks on John Kelly. None of the former cabinet members who speak ill of Trump are ever telling the truth. It's always because they have an ax to grind.
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That's what bothers me most about Trump. His direct reports trash the hell out of him. Some of them have very strong experience and are well regarded in their professions prior to Trump land
 
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evillawyer said:
So in other words, @CagleMtnVol is still riding shotgun with Trump and his Hitler sympathies. How about the rest of you goobers?
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Come on. Be better. The proper question should have been “How about the rest of you Goebbels?”

That's the line. That will get a chuckle from those who aren't taking this stuff too seriously.
 
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volfanhill said:
Come on. Be better. The proper question should have been “How about the rest of you Goebbels?”

That's the line. That will get a chuckle from those who aren't taking this stuff too seriously.
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Way off topic here, but this exemplifies the abject stupidity of the Nazi's pretty well :

Goebbels´ clubfoot

Joseph Goebbels (1897-1945) was a Nazi politician in Germany and the chief propagandist for the Nazi Party, becoming Hitler's Minister of Propaganda fr ...
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Joseph Goebbels strongly advocated for the extermination of people who were born with disabilities and/or deformities. Goebbels believed this was necessary because such people "contaminated" the gene pool. Goebbels even produced a Nazi propaganda film which contended that such a policy was really just an act of mercy. It would simply be putting those people out of their misery.

The irony of it all? Joseph Goebbels was born with a clubfoot.
 
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volfanhill said:
That's what bothers me most about Trump. His direct reports trash the hell out of him. Some of them have very strong experience and are well regarded in their professions prior to Trump land
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I definitely agree with the bold.
BowlBrother85 said:
Cue the attacks on John Kelly. None of the former cabinet members who speak ill of Trump are ever telling the truth. It's always because they have an ax to grind.
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John F. Kelly has been smearing Trump for years now. Wasn't he pretty much forced to resign mid appointment?

My present cynicism of this most recent criticism is two fold.
1st, Why wait this many years, after several previous criticisms, to pull out the Nazi card? Or is this alleged Hitler praise by Trump nothing new coming from John F. Kelly?

2nd, Trump's purported ignorance as to Hitler's level of loyalty from the High Command is shallow. Even for Trump that's shallow, and I'm not trying to carry water for Trump.

John F. Kelly's past criticisms of Trump may very well be valid and spot on. The Nazi card and the timing of this one seems a little too convenient for me.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
I definitely agree with the bold.

John F. Kelly has been smearing Trump for years now. Wasn't he pretty much forced to resign mid appointment?

My present cynicism of this most recent criticism is two fold.
1st, Why wait this many years, after several previous criticisms, to pull out the Nazi card? Or is this alleged Hitler praise by Trump nothing new coming from John F. Kelly?

2nd, Trump's purported ignorance as to Hitler's level of loyalty from the High Command is shallow. Even for Trump that's shallow, and I'm not trying to carry water for Trump.

John F. Kelly's past criticisms of Trump may very well be valid and spot on. The Nazi card and the timing of this one seems a little too convenient for me.
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Trump is a autocrat wannabe. Have you and the rest of MAGA not grasped that by now? Did you not catch his comments about Orban the other day? He likes autocrats--likes that that can do what they want, completely---strong arm people, arrest and jail critics, shut down opposition.

Trump doesn't know $hit about NATO or anything else--he's a total ignoramus about everything. But the fact that he's got this bug up his butt about NATO is proof positive that he's a Putin stooge. And it has nothing to with EU countries boosting their defense spending---that's just his cover. Putin's wet dream has been to break up NATO--and now it's been strengthened.

That a U.S. president--or in the gangsters case now, an ex-president--would have such a negative view of NATO--a bedrock of our foreign policy--makes him a serious security threat, as does the fact that he's a corrupt businessman, as does the fact that he now owes huge sums of money and has accepted money from foreign sources in the past.

He's clearly a stooge for Russia and Putin--no doubt in part because Russian mafia have bought a lot of his condos (laundering dirty money) and in doing so have helped bolster his business. His son has said as much in the past. He's also long tried to get trump-branded hotels/condos in Moscow--with others fronting the construction money, of course. He was //fervently// trying to get a deal in Moscow right up to the '16 election. Trump lied and said he'd stopped trying to do a deal in Moscow with Putin a year before the election. But Cohn, his former right-hand man and lawyer, said he was lying and has published email traffic between him and Trump showing that Trump was badgering him to get a deal done up until days/weeks before the election.

Notice how the gangster is always praising Putin and that fat Hungarian pariah, Viktor Orban--but he never has anything positive to say about our many allies in Europe, starting with Britain? Strange? Uh, yea. Doesn't want to help Ukraine when it is obviously and strongly in America's interest, and the interest of Europe, to help Ukraine win this war. Trump is the new Neville Chamberlain--and who doubts that Trump would take money from an American enemy if he needed it--which he does. MAGA are determined to ignore how deeply corrupt the man is.

Trump is also the perfect mark for Putin--a former KGB man. He's a corrupt, narcissistic businessman who has spent his entire life trying to be a big shot or to show people that he's a big shot. He's also completely ignorant and naive about foreign/geopolitical affairs. U.S. social media was infested with Russian propaganda/bots in the runup to the '16 election--most definitely played a role in the election. FACT. I'm sure Putin reminded the gangster of that fact during their meetings. Trump would never admit it, of course--going so far as to make a fool of himself in Helsinki when he stood up at a press conference and said that Putin had told him he hadn't meddled in our election and that he believed him--despite the fact that our intelligence agencies had made it clear to him for weeks/months that Russia had meddled. One of the most embarrassing/disgraceful moments in the history of the presidency. So he's the PERFECT stooge/mark for a sinister man like Putin--and Putin certainly has been playing him. There's no doubt about that--and Trump's views on NATO are proof.
 
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turbovol said:


Trump is a autocrat wannabe. Have you and the rest of MAGA not grasped that by now? Did you not catch his comments about Orban the other day? He likes autocrats--likes that that can do what they want, completely. Wants to be one.
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Hitler and his effort was responsible for many good things. The good doesn't make the bad forgivable though.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't see how anyone can be blind to the type of leader Trump admires and aspires to be.
Which leads me to believe that anyone who supports him is perfectly okay with it.
Which then leads me to believe that anyone who supports Trump is nuts.
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Yet you support Biden.

Your mental illness is all too obvious.
 
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McDad said:
Hitler and his effort was responsible for many good things. The good doesn't make the bad forgivable though.
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Even some of the horrible processes had good outcomes. For example: Mengele's experiments with hypothermia. Yes he killed hundreds of people in the process, but should those peoples' deaths be relegated to the 'vain' category in that we should throw out the data from those experiments? That would be an even bigger insult to their memories imho. Condemn Mengele for being the satanic butcher he was, and don't praise him for the data he obtained, but for God's sake and for the memories of those that had no choice and died in the process, let their memories live in the lives that are/will be saved going forward from that knowledge gained.
 
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turbovol said:
Have you and the rest of MAGA not grasped that by now?
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Hate to break it you, but I've never voted for Trump, carried water for Trump, nor supported 'MAGA'. You didn't remotely answer my question either you sanctimonious idiot. Autocrat wannabe, delusional authoritarian, blah..blah..blah.. That still doesn't answer my question as to why Kelly would sit on this until now.

This is a Wendy's. You've been told to stay at your fry station and keep away from the drive-thru window.
 
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evillawyer said:
You goobers still sure Trump's your boy? Who am I kidding, this probably endears him to you even more.

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So Turley says Trump says he impressed with Hitler because he rebuilt the German economy (true) and held had loyal officers (true) wake me when he says that Jews are just as smart as Germans. Then we will talk otherwise this is a nothing burger
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
I definitely agree with the bold.

John F. Kelly has been smearing Trump for years now. Wasn't he pretty much forced to resign mid appointment?

My present cynicism of this most recent criticism is two fold.
1st, Why wait this many years, after several previous criticisms, to pull out the Nazi card? Or is this alleged Hitler praise by Trump nothing new coming from John F. Kelly?

2nd, Trump's purported ignorance as to Hitler's level of loyalty from the High Command is shallow. Even for Trump that's shallow, and I'm not trying to carry water for Trump.

John F. Kelly's past criticisms of Trump may very well be valid and spot on. The Nazi card and the timing of this one seems a little too convenient for me.
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Who do you think has more personal integrity--Kelly, a lifelong military man and top general, or trump--a sinister narcissist and corrupt businessman? Case closed. How about Matttis--former defense secretary. He dislikes the gangster. Practically EVERYBODY in his former administration knows he's completely unfit for dog catcher much less the presidency--and MANY, including Kelly, have said so.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Hate to break it you, but I've never voted for Trump, carried water for Trump, nor supported 'MAGA'. You didn't remotely answer my question either you sanctimonious idiot. Autocrat wannabe, delusional authoritarian, blah..blah..blah.. That still doesn't answer my question as to why Kelly would sit on this until now.

This is a Wendy's. You've been told to stay at your fry station and keep away from the drive-thru window.
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Don't take that idiot too seriously. She voted for the man that hugged the illegal immigrant that killed one of our citizens.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Yet you support Biden.

Your mental illness is all too obvious.
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My post had nothing at all to do with Biden.
I think you suffer from BDS.
(I always felt the whole accusation TDS was beyond stupid - and still do. I think I'll overly use BDS to drive home that point)

Plus - remember, I do not really support Biden as much as I support "anybody but trump" precisely for reasons like the one highlighted in my post.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
I definitely agree with the bold.

John F. Kelly has been smearing Trump for years now. Wasn't he pretty much forced to resign mid appointment?

My present cynicism of this most recent criticism is two fold.
1st, Why wait this many years, after several previous criticisms, to pull out the Nazi card? Or is this alleged Hitler praise by Trump nothing new coming from John F. Kelly?

2nd, Trump's purported ignorance as to Hitler's level of loyalty from the High Command is shallow. Even for Trump that's shallow, and I'm not trying to carry water for Trump.

John F. Kelly's past criticisms of Trump may very well be valid and spot on. The Nazi card and the timing of this one seems a little too convenient for me.
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It's an old story that is being rehashed. No, Kelly didn't wait years to talk about this.


^^^^ This article is from 2021. ^^^^
 
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luthervol said:
My post had nothing at all to do with Biden.
I think you suffer from BDS.
(I always felt the whole accusation TDS was beyond stupid - and still do. I think I'll overly use BDS to drive home that point)

Plus - remember, I do not really support Biden as much as I support "anybody but trump" precisely for reasons like the one highlighted in my post.
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You can't even come up with your own syndrome without plagiarizing. Telling.

And no, you support Biden. You are trying really hard to reconcile that in your mind, but every ballot is marked "for" someone. Not against. What you are trying so desperately hard to sell here isn't worth doodly squat, and nobody is buying it.
 
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MemphisVol77 said:
Hate to break it you, but I've never voted for Trump, carried water for Trump, nor supported 'MAGA'. You didn't remotely answer my question either you sanctimonious idiot. Autocrat wannabe, delusional authoritarian, blah..blah..blah.. That still doesn't answer my question as to why Kelly would sit on this until now.

This is a Wendy's. You've been told to stay at your fry station and keep away from the drive-thru window.
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Kelly hasn't sat on anything but your head, apparently. He's been critical of the gangster off and on for two/three years. Why would he be speaking out again now? For the same reason many people who were in his administration have been speaking out against him--in the past, in the present--and in the months to come. Because they know he's not fit for public office and don't want him in the White House again. Anybody who does is a lousy American. THAT's how bad he is.
 
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I am convinced that some significant portion of Trump's seeming countenance of Putin or Kim, even if Hitler, is the shock value he gets out of people for being contrarian and portraying himself as having some larger insight into history. As though he's above the fray of common thinking about these actors.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The atrocities he was responsible for render whatever "good" he did unworthy of praise.
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Hmmm: I think everybody has "missed" the good things he did for Germany---perhaps because he started another world war that led to the near destruction of the country. And he murdered, what, about 6 million people? I forget the number.
 
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