Official Gramps' Memorial Eternal OT Thread

Here's a question for the folks who work for a living.
Why is it my drill bit designed for metal is worthless on angle iron...it will drill but it takes forever and self tapping screws for metal go through the material much easier?

Why not just make the bit out of the stuff theymake the screws???
I’m willing to hazard a guess. A drill bit is a cutting tool its flukes are designed to remove material. A screw doesn’t actually cut it’s more like a nail it penetrates by displacing not removing. Also not all drill bits are created equal. For really hard stuff I’ve got a few carbide bits I keep handy. Also heat kills as it softens the bit. You have to go slow on the rpm and even use cutting oil on hard jobs.

No idea if this guess is correct or not.
 
Here's a question for the folks who work for a living.
Why is it my drill bit designed for metal is worthless on angle iron...it will drill but it takes forever and self tapping screws for metal go through the material much easier?

Why not just make the bit out of the stuff theymake the screws???

I do not know why some drill bits horrifically suck azz when faced with metal but they do. They shouldn't even make them.

1 factor on that can cause what you mention above though is RPM of the bit. Even the most expensive cordless drill wont make enough rpm to drill metal well with an old fashioned spiral drillbit like they made 50 or 100 years ago. They cut so little and so slow that only a corded drill stands a chance. Self tapping screws are really aggressive at those cutting fins and will rip through 1/8in thick black lintels and even 1/4" stuff maybe in softer metals like aluminum (in cordless drills too) but i have never been able to punch through 1/2" or thicker stuff with self tappers. For thicker steel and whatnot i always use less aggressive bits with carbide tips etc and a corded high rpm drill. The speed at which different models of corded drills operate their RPM varies widely depending on which style. The bigger 1/2in chuck drills that my guys use for high torque are good for stuff like mixing 5gal buckets of mud or boring holes with low speed, high torque drill bits thru thick wood. Those drills are big, slow and strong like a diesel engine. The best ones for drilling high speed holes with spiral bits are quite a bit smaller and usually not very expensive. Think the Dewalt that I use for that was about $60 or $70 at Lowes a few years back. Its crazy how many different models of drills there actually are from each big company. I have never needed a bunch of different ones thankfully and can get by with 4 or 5 total at this point in life. Hope this helps McDad. You're still my Ninja Turtle bro. I know I will never be starry eyed little Louder See Dead People...but really who can?

** thankfully there are folks like my boss that buys things even if he only needs to use it once...like the bigdog Milwaukee right-angle drills that are like $450 corded for when you gotta reach in and around crap and still twist a bit strong enough to sprain my wrist and bloody several fingers (maybe crack a couple, again) mere mortals like myself can borrow those and take em back when done which really helps sometimes too.
 
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I’m willing to hazard a guess. A drill bit is a cutting tool its flukes are designed to remove material. A screw doesn’t actually cut it’s more like a nail it penetrates by displacing not removing. Also not all drill bits are created equal. For really hard stuff I’ve got a few carbide bits I keep handy. Also heat kills as it softens the bit. You have to go slow on the rpm and even use cutting oil on hard jobs.

No idea if this guess is correct or not.
Yeah. Good answers.

I used old motor oil and low-ish rpms. But it doesn't take much to generate enormous heat at the tip.
I'm gonna use self tapping screws like I did today to do the heavy work on higher density, thick stuff.
 
I do not know why some drill bits horrifically suck azz when faced with metal but they do. They shouldn't even make them.

1 factor on that can cause what you mention above though is RPM of the bit. Even the most expensive cordless drill wont make enough rpm to drill metal well with an old fashioned spiral drillbit like they made 50 or 100 years ago. They cut so little and so slow that only a corded drill stands a chance. Self tapping screws are really aggressive at those cutting fins and will rip through 1/8in thick black lintels and even 1/4" stuff maybe in softer metals like aluminum (in cordless drills too) but i have never been able to punch through 1/2" or thicker stuff with self tappers. For thicker steel and whatnot i always use less aggressive bits with carbide tips etc and a corded high rpm drill. The speed at which different models of corded drills operate their RPM varies widely depending on which style. The bigger 1/2in chuck drills that my guys use for high torque are good for stuff like mixing 5gal buckets of mud or boring holes with low speed, high torque drill bits thru thick wood. Those drills are big, slow and strong like a diesel engine. The best ones for drilling high speed holes with spiral bits are quite a bit smaller and usually not very expensive. Think the Dewalt that I use for that was about $60 or $70 at Lowes a few years back. Its crazy how many different models of drills there actually are from each big company. I have never needed a bunch of different ones thankfully and can get by with 4 or 5 total at this point in life. Hope this helps McDad. You're still my Ninja Turtle bro. I know I will never be starry eyed little Louder See Dead People...but really who can?
It helps. You may never be Louder but you my blue collar scholar.
 
I’m willing to hazard a guess. A drill bit is a cutting tool its flukes are designed to remove material. A screw doesn’t actually cut it’s more like a nail it penetrates by displacing not removing. Also not all drill bits are created equal. For really hard stuff I’ve got a few carbide bits I keep handy. Also heat kills as it softens the bit. You have to go slow on the rpm and even use cutting oil on hard jobs.

No idea if this guess is correct or not.

^^^ this is also true, but I have no experience in it. I actually have my Pappaws old drill press in my Moms garage, and have heard of the slow drilling over hours and lubricating etc but I have never actually done that before. I have never worked in a machine shop either fwiw.
 
He's always mindful of the back door

As a gentleman should be. Talk about getting some funny looks, right? Drop off a surprise delivery at the service entrance, when the lights are only turned on out front....its always a big surprise when that happens. Gets the ladies attention quick that way in my experience.
 
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BTW....13 days now to spring practice boys!!! We start on my bday this year the 18th. Cant wait. I watched the new coaches videos. Like both. Coach Inge in particular at LB coach seems like a homerun. He is very, very smart. Seems to be a great communicator and extremely genuine. Wish he was my uncle lol. Very intelligent guy that you can tell LIVES to talk and teach the details of ball.
 
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