2024 Presidential Race


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WOW! I urge all Trump supporters to at least read this.Trump claimed that Biden did the same thing he did with the classified documents at Mar-a-Lago.

Jack Smith's team just replied with the following to the court: "There has never been a case in American history in which a former official has engaged in conduct remotely similar to Trump’s. -

"He intentionally took possession of a vast trove of some of the nation’s most sensitive documents—documents so sensitive that they were presented to the President—and stored them in unsecured locations at his heavily trafficked social club.

"When the National Archives and Records Administration (“NARA”) initially sought their return (before learning that they contained classified national defense information), Trump delayed, obfuscated, and dissembled.

"Faced with the possibility of legal action, he ostensibly agreed to comply with NARA’s requests but in fact engaged in additional deception, returning only a fraction of the documents in his possession while claiming that his production was complete.

"Then, when presented with a grand jury subpoena demanding the return of the remaining documents bearing classification markings, Trump attempted to enlist his own attorney in the corrupt endeavor, suggesting that he falsely tell the FBI and grand jury that Trump did not have any documents, and suggesting that his attorney hide or destroy documents rather than produce them to the government.

"Failing in his effort to corrupt the attorney, Trump enlisted his trusted body man, codefendant Waltine Nauta, in a scheme to deceive the attorney by moving boxes to conceal his (Trump’s) continued possession of classified documents.

"As a result, Trump, through his attorney, again returned only a portion of the classified documents in his possession while falsely claiming that his production was complete. The obstructive conduct even persisted from there.

"In June 2022, knowing that he had arranged for Nauta to move boxes to conceal them from Trump’s attorney, and knowing that the government had subpoenaed the security video footage that would reveal that surreptitious box movement, Trump, now joined by not only Nauta but also codefendant Carlos De Oliveira, attempted to have the information-technology manager at Mar-aLago delete the video footage that would show the movement of boxes."

Lock him up....
 
It's actually not amazing. It's simply partisanship, prejudice, and confirmation bias....The result of someone not willing to think critically.
Na- that ain't it.

You're not going to be one of those "both sides are exactly equal" guys are you? Talk about a lack of critical thinking.
 
au contraire - I think he's a good dude but not so good at the POTUS thing.

I admire his post presidency actions and inactions (staying the hell out of politics)
Rare to find someone who doesn't hold him in high esteem as president.
 
Na- that ain't it.

You're not going to be one of those "both sides are exactly equal" guys are you? Talk about a lack of critical thinking.

"nobility" is a subjective assessment - McDad is correct that partisan bias colors the "continuum" of nobility and the larger point that you seemingly can't critique policy and instead rely on subjective assessment of character.
 
"nobility" is a subjective assessment - McDad is correct that partisan bias colors the "continuum" of nobility and the larger point that you seemingly can't critique policy and instead rely on subjective assessment of character.
I'm right????

I don't think this has ever happened to me before.

How am I supposed to act...what do I do...I need to ask McRib. Brb.
 
"nobility" is a subjective assessment - McDad is correct that partisan bias colors the "continuum" of nobility and the larger point that you seemingly can't critique policy and instead rely on subjective assessment of character.
Na - that ain't it.

Carter's policies were far superior to Reagan's and look how they were viewed by the public, especially in the short term.
Reagan was and forever will be the Founding Father of deficit spending - both federal and personal.
If you ever want to see what it looks like to sell out the long term for short term popularity, look no further than Reagan.
The public can be idiots.

Talk about your biases and lack of critical thinking - you guys take the cake.
 
You never heard me say that.......but compared to Trump - absolutely.

I don't know enough of Johnson to comment but I see no difference in character of Clinton and Trump and the more I learn about Biden I include him into the the group - all willing to do whatever needed for power and agenda. Only the style varies
 
I don't know enough of Johnson to comment but I see no difference in character of Clinton and Trump and the more I learn about Biden I include him into the the group - all willing to do whatever needed for power and agenda. Only the style varies
LBJ gotta be at the top of the sunofabeech rankings.
 
Na - that ain't it.

Carter's policies were far superior to Reagan's and look how they were viewed by the public, especially in the short term.
Reagan was and forever will be the Founding Father of deficit spending - both federal and personal.
If you ever want to see what it looks like to sell out the long term for short term popularity, look no further than Reagan.
The public can be idiots.

Talk about your biases and lack of critical thinking - you guys take the cake.

you are a member of the public and providing evidence of the bolded
 
Depends on the issue.
It's okay, I wouldn't expect you to grasp a concept like that.
Any issue. The chance that they are exactly equal (in any thing) is practically a theoretically impossibility.

I'm the king of continuums for a reason.
 
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