War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Putin has been worried about the western creep of NATO for over a couple of decades. He has been worried about the West using Ukraine as a staging point for influence operations inside of Russia. This is one of a long list of western provocations, yet western propaganda screams UNPROVOKED!!
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Russia has built/reoccupied several bases in Central and South America in the last decade, we didn't launch invasions of those countries. Russia has been arming and training several CA/SA countries too, we haven't invaded them. Depending on which flavor of media you want to consume I have seen everyone from Argentina's new president to Venezuela's claimed as Russian plants/stooges. we haven't invaded them.

Both Russia and the US have been sending spy planes, and other military planes into national airspaces for decades, never been a war. all those nations ACTUALLLY joining NATO.

you have all those REAL cases of escalation and provocation and Putin hasn't done anything. instead he has to manufacture a situation in the one area we haven't had join NATO. its clear he is a bully picking on the one last kid who hasn't befriended the kid who knows martial arts. Putin isn't responding to a direct threat, he is flexing in the one place he can.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So worried that he's emptied Russian bases near Finland and Norway.



www.atlanticcouncil.org

Putin debunks his own propaganda by disarming Russia’s NATO borders

Putin publicly blames NATO for provoking the invasion of Ukraine, but Russia's recent demilitarization of the country's borders with neighboring NATO members makes a mockery of such claims, writes Peter Dickinson.
www.atlanticcouncil.org www.atlanticcouncil.org
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Has nothing to do with anything. The Bearded monkey flings more feces on the wall.
 
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LouderVol said:
you said they were all/mostly gone, and also said they were still dying in significant numbers to matter to the west. that is a direct contradiction.
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I said those are western troops using western weapons and taking HUGE losses. That is accurate. Due to those huge losses, there are now very few western trained troops left.
 
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#76,032
volgr said:
I said those are western troops using western weapons and taking HUGE losses. That is accurate. Due to those huge losses, there are now very few western trained troops left.
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how are they currently taking HUGE losses if there are so few left from dying early on after the Russians originally killed them?

Its just like Russia claiming to have shot down more Ukrainian planes than they have ever had. or the Russian claiming to have destroyed 6 of 4 Patriot systems we originally sent them. or the Russians blowing up every train of western equipment before Ukraine has a chance to use it.

you guys buy hook line and sinker every bit of information Russia throws out there without once applying any critical thinking to make sure the information makes sense.
 
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Redleg68 said:
must have not been too secret if you know about them. Why in the Holy Hell would the CIA need to have 12 bases in Ukraine? Sounds made up to me.
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To the Putin apologists a CIA listening post with a crew of less than 10 SIGINT analysts is the same as Fort Campbell.
 
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volgr said:
Completely false. Early in the war, when Ukraine still had it's best western trained forces, they lost Mauripol even with a huge numbers advantage. An embarrassing loss for the West.

This is all one needs to know/study to see how the EU would fare vs Russia.

This was an early indicator as well of how the war would go for Ukraine going forward. It only got worse from there as western trained troops were being replaced with more and more untrained troops. Which we then get to the utter embarrassment that was the Ukrainian "offensive" last summer/fall that resulted in a grotesque amount of casualties for Ukraine.

Anyone wanting war with Russia should have their head examined.
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LMAO rewriting history again huh? Those forces were cut off with no resupply. That was one of the very few things I think the orcs did right. The defenders were isolated so just wait them out.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How would the United States respond if the Russians or Chinese would have overthrown the Mexican govt and installed a leadership that was not only hostile to the US, but they also armed and trained them?

You know the answer...
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It's funny to see how butthurt you remain over the fact that UKRAINIAN CITIZENS kicked that Putin ball-gobbler Yanukovych right... out... the country.

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