War in Ukraine

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BreatheUT said:
Why isn't there ever any discussion of a peace agreement and whatever that looks like that both countries are willing to agree to?

It is odd and a lack of leadership in my opinion.

Where is this US proxy war with Russia headed?

Both sides have heavy losses but Ukraine has lost a generation of men. A generation of men just gone.
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Because for there to be peace negotiations, Russia would have to cease making war upon Ukraine, something they haven't done since they began this invasion in 2014, doubly so in th last 2 years.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Because for there to be peace negotiations, Russia would have to cease making war upon Ukraine, something they haven't done since they began this invasion in 2014, doubly so in th last 2 years.
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The West had Ukraine enter Minsk with an understanding they wouldnt abide by it and would instead use that time to prepare for war.
“The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give Ukraine time,” Merkel told the weekly Die Zeit. “It also used this time to become stronger, as you can see today.”
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rekinhavoc said:
www.breitbart.com

Lindsey Graham: Time to Designate Russia a State Sponsor of Terrorism

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said Sunday on CBS's "Face the Nation" that after the death of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, it was time to designate Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism. | Clips
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
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If the US sponsored and supported the Mujihadeen (Taliban), ISIS, Al-Shabaab, the Free Syrian Army, PKK, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc... then what does that make the United States?
 
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volgr said:
The West had Ukraine enter Minsk with an understanding they wouldnt abide by it and would instead use that time to prepare for war.
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The Minsk accords only exist in the first place because Russia had already broken half a dozen treaties with Ukraine, and the UN charter when they invaded in 2014.

To beat it all, Russia never upheld their own obligations under the Minsk accords themselves.

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You always conveniently leave that part out though...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If the US sponsored and supported the Mujihadeen (Taliban), ISIS, Al-Shabaab, the Free Syrian Army, PKK, Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc... then what does that make the United States?
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A: We support Israel against terrorists.

B: Some were fighting Russia when we supported/support them. Russia has reciprocated.

C: Definitely bit us in the azz. Iraq, Taliban, etc.

D: Still the best damn country in the world!


Bonus: Lindsey Graham is a war mongering azzhat. I don't care for Putin or Zelensky . Also azzhats . Both corrupt.
 
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utvolpj said:
What did I say that was wrong? We have a very short term view of foreign policy and most of our FP issues are because of that. Unquestioned support of Israel is definitely one of those
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You accused Israel of terrorist activities. That is where you were wrong.
 
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volgr said:
Why would he kill him? Why would he do it now? Who benefits?
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Loose ends being taken care of all over the Russian sphere of influence. The former KGB asset knows the value of sending a message and owning the narrative.

If you really think he isn't responsible for this I can't wait to tell you about the two wonderful candidates it appears we are going to choose from in our coming election.
 
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volgr said:
Navalny is locked away in a remote Siberian prison. So, he would have no bearing on the upcoming Presidential election. Actually the suspicious nature of this before the election is reason for Putin to not kill him now.

Once again, like the Budapest Agreement, you are arguing against yourself.
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Every time he appears in court the country is reminded someone dared defy Putin publicly......... That's it is possible to defy Putin. Putin is not worried about this election, the results have already been decided. He's worried about what comes after. He's worried the opposition that is operating within his borders will step up their sabotage tactics.

He's scared of a lot these days, just like everyone else in the world with a world stabilizing force on the decline and others posturing for supremacy, namely China. Though Russia is allied with them he knows they cannot be trusted past the ends to their own means.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
My line is to support them as long as Ukraine is willing to fight or is getting kicked so badly that losing is inevitable. I'm not worried about the economy or inflation. Both are doing exceptionally well from where we were in 20-21. The economy has been an up and down ride for the entire history of the country and probably always will be. Our military depleted? What makes you think that? I can't prove it but I suspect we have 10 times the armament Russia had when they started this war. And I believe we have weapons and capabilities that are beyond what any adversary might have.

I may be wrong about the cult being pro Putin. But being pro Trump is as bad or worse IMO.
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Pretty sure we have had to stop giving them certain pieces of equipment because we ran out, and were struggling to find artillery shells. that sounds like depletion to me. The whole point of a military stockpile is to allow OUR nation to use it in times of needs while we ramp up an otherwise weaker manufacturing base. giving away anything from that directly takes away from our ability to use that same equipment.

and we aren't replacing like with like. We are "replacing" 1000 $1000 dollar guns, with 100 $10,000 dollar guns. at some point the scale of the production matters much more than a total dollar amount or just blindly claiming we are replacing it with "better". especially when we have gotten rid of those guns and could easily find ourselves struggling to completely arm ourselves with no stockpile to aid in the loss of the production efficiency.
 
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volgr said:
The West had Ukraine enter Minsk with an understanding they wouldnt abide by it and would instead use that time to prepare for war.
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Minsk was never a peace deal. it was at best a cease fire that neither side adhered to from day 1.

Neither of which would require Ukraine to just sit there. Russia also clearly used the time to get stronger and prepare for a bigger fight. considering Ukraine didn't start the hostilities in 2022, your argument is pretty dumb on its face.
 
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LouderVol said:
Minsk was never a peace deal. it was at best a cease fire that neither side adhered to from day 1.

Neither of which would require Ukraine to just sit there. Russia also clearly used the time to get stronger and prepare for a bigger fight. considering Ukraine didn't start the hostilities in 2022, your argument is pretty dumb on its face.
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Russia could have easily taken the Donbas when they took Crimea. Instead they hoped securing Crimea would deter Ukraine from further attacks in the Donbas. To say neither side adhered to Minsk is disingenuous at best.
 
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volgr said:
Russia could have easily taken the Donbas when they took Crimea. Instead they hoped securing Crimea would deter Ukraine from further attacks in the Donbas. To say neither side adhered to Minsk is disingenuous at best.
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They can't even take all of the Donbas region now.
 
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volgr said:
Russia could have easily taken the Donbas when they took Crimea. Instead they hoped securing Crimea would deter Ukraine from further attacks in the Donbas. To say neither side adhered to Minsk is disingenuous at best.
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how is it disingenuous? both sides violated it. The Russians never pulled their troops out, as was required, so the Ukrainians eventually shot at them. The Russian breach justified the Ukrainian one, in the domino effect that escalates every war. it largely doesn't matter, because ceasefires are temporary and the fighting can always start back up.

and considering the Russians still don't hold all of the Donbas 8 years later I don't see how you can claim it would have been easy back then.

its always laughable when you guys claim Russia was the victim of a Ukrainian build up during the cease fire, when Russia built up enough troops to launch a full invasion. You won't even acknowledge that side of it.
 
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Man, can't post the pictures because it would be deemed "snuff" by the mods, but the Ukrainians took out a butt load of Russians at some Donbas training ground with a HIMARS.
 
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