War in Ukraine

[LouderVol]

Navalny is locked away in a remote Siberian prison. So, he would have no bearing on the upcoming Presidential election. Actually the suspicious nature of this before the election is reason for Putin to not kill him now.

Once again, like the Budapest Agreement, you are arguing against yourself.

when has Putin cared about the suspicions? who is going to hold it against him? you think any investigation is going to turn up ANYTHING different than exactly whatever Putin claimed before any of the facts were known?

If someone was wanting to effect the elections against Putin with this move it would have been better to kill him closer to the elections. This just removes Navalny from starting any push against Putin.

 

[LouderVol]

Navalny isnt a threat to Putin politically. He gets a very small % of the vote and if the elections are rigged as you guys claim they are, he doesnt need to kill him to win.

So, the upcoming Election does not adequately explain why Putin would kill him now.

Whats the next possible explanation?

by that metric Putin wouldn't be killing or imprisoning anyone. NO ONE gets a high percentage of the votes. but Putin is locking away plenty. because you know, its a "fair" system.

it also doesn't matter if Navalny was a direct threat to take over the office of President of Russia. He was a vocal enemy of Putin. that is "threat" enough.

as I mentioned in that quote, but you avoided, Navalny has been anti-war. plenty of anti-war types have ended up defenestrated or in jail. I doubt there are too many 8 story hospital windows to fall out of in a Siberian gulag.

Prizoghin lead a coup against Putin, and was able to fly around Russia freely for about 2 months. I don't think there needs to be significance to the timing to link it to Putin.

 

[volgr]

when has Putin cared about the suspicions? who is going to hold it against him? you think any investigation is going to turn up ANYTHING different than exactly whatever Putin claimed before any of the facts were known?

If someone was wanting to effect the elections against Putin with this move it would have been better to kill him closer to the elections. This just removes Navalny from starting any push against Putin.

Stop. Navalny wasnt starting any legitimate political push against Putin. Even if he were free and not locked away in a Siberian prison, he is no threat politically. That is absurd and shows you have zero understanding of Russian politics.

 

[evillawyer]

Wonder what Ras will have to say.

You know what he'll say. It'll be the classic rhetorical move perfected by Russia during the Cold War:

"But what about ... [insert some unrelated, bad action by an American actor sometime in the past 100 years]."

 

[volgr]

I don't think there needs to be significance to the timing to link it to Putin.

Because there isnt a significance to the timing...for Putin. If anyone benefits from Navalny dying today, it is the West. Putin could not have picked a worse time to do this.

And I am not making the claim the west killed him either.

 

[evillawyer]

 

[NorthDallas40]

Navalny is locked away in a remote Siberian prison. So, he would have no bearing on the upcoming Presidential election. Actually the suspicious nature of this before the election is reason for Putin to not kill him now.

Once again, like the Budapest Agreement, you are arguing against yourself.

Oh I’m pointing out the obvious Larry. Once again an otherwise healthy individual who opposes the despot dwarf is observed less than 24 hours prior to his death. And unlike this and all the other bald dwarf eliminations we have actual written evidentiary document souring exactly how the bald dwarf broke his country’s agreements

I realize Reuters isn’t anywhere near as trusted as RT in your world but it’s fairly clear this isn’t natural. And like all the other cases we will never know actually what happened. Well… we know but will never have access to prove it

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/court-day-before-his-death-alexei-navalny-laughed-cracked-jokes-2024-02-16/

 

[NorthDallas40]

Because there isnt a significance to the timing...for Putin. If anyone benefits from Navalny dying today, it is the West. Putin could not have picked a worse time to do this.

And I am not making the claim the west killed him either.

So basically in line with the rest of his moronic decisions over the last 24 months

 

[LouderVol]

Stop. Navalny wasnt starting any legitimate political push against Putin. Even if he were free and not locked away in a Siberian prison, he is no threat politically. That is absurd and shows you have zero understanding of Russian politics.

again it doesn't have to be "legitimate", whatever that means. being anti-Putin even as a TV host is good way to end up dead. no disagreement is allowed under Putin. Navalny has been the biggest disagreer since the early 2000s. and they have been trying to get rid of him for a while.

and while this is the first time he has been successfully killed, its not the first attempt on Navalny's life. in like 2011 he was poisoned with a nerve agent in Russia, and had to get treatment in Germany. Of course Russia, with no access to the lab tests or blood work, claimed there was no proof of the poisoning.

Navalny has always been a figurehead for ANY anti-Putin movement in Russia, even when he isn't running for any office. removing him removes the biggest figure for any political opponent to reference. his death serves plenty of political purposes to Putin.

could also be as simple as sending a message.

 

[turbovol]

Ok, why now? How does it benefit Putin to kill Navalny now?

What's your point. He was poisoned years ago but survived--barely. He's been imprisoned for years--and no doubt subject to very harsh treatment--without committing any crimes. So for all intents and purposes he was murdered by Putin--period.

Putin benefits in that another critic has been silenced. Even in prison, Navalny had a voice and a presence that was an irritant to the dictator. It's a subdued voice, certainly, when you're locked up in Siberia, but he remained an opposition figure who could get messages out to the wider world occasionally. Putin has murdered a lot of critics--a lot. We can only hope he will be captured one day, tried for war crimes and hanged. That would be sweet. We don't know exactly how he died---maybe he was just killed, poisoned again, given a shot, who knows. It doesn't matter. Or maybe he just died from accumulated health problems as a result of his imprisonment--he's been in danger of dying, what, a couple of times in the last couple/three years. The timing isn't that relevant: He was a critic, and he was effectively murdered.

 

[WoodsmanVol]

Give me your best argument as to why the US should continue funding this war.

No point in doing so, cause people don't want to listen. Besides, the USA is war-loving, not that we are alone in being so. Therefore, will always be involved in one somewhere, and in some way. It's literally our foreign policy. The nation is founded on war, even the so-called Christian settlers who came over due to religious persecution, only to persecute natives on arrival. War here has been nonstop. So Ukraine, a war by proxy, so to speak, is just another page in the story. The Yemeni are coming, the Hamas are already here, and they brought the Iranians. So, you see, no point in giving a reason to or not to fund the Urkies. Because people don't want to listen.

Whether the State can loose and bind
In Heaven as well as on Earth:
If it be wiser to kill mankind
Before or after the birth—
These are matters of high concern
Where State-kept schoolmen are;
But Holy State (we have lived to learn)
Endeth in Holy War.
Holy State or Holy King—
Or Holy People’s Will—
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Order the guns and kill!

 

[LouderVol]

Because there isnt a significance to the timing...for Putin. If anyone benefits from Navalny dying today, it is the West. Putin could not have picked a worse time to do this.

And I am not making the claim the west killed him either.

closer to the actual election would have been worse. after he won a trial and was getting out of jail, or had his sentence reduced, would have been worse. if another political enemy was running on the cause of getting political enemies released from Russian jails, including Navalny, that would have been worse timing.

the non-significance of the timing is probably pure cover for plausible deniability. and again you have yet to establish that the timing is required to be significant for Putin to kill. I have shown with Prizoghin that no significant timing is needed.

 

[volgr]

Oh I’m pointing out the obvious Larry. Once again an otherwise healthy individual who opposes the despot dwarf is observed less than 24 hours prior to his death. And unlike this and all the other bald dwarf eliminations we have actual written evidentiary document souring exactly how the bald dwarf broke his country’s agreements

I realize Reuters isn’t anywhere near as trusted as RT in your world but it’s fairly clear this isn’t natural. And like all the other cases we will never know actually what happened. Well… we know but will never have access to prove it

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/court-day-before-his-death-alexei-navalny-laughed-cracked-jokes-2024-02-16/

Yeah, we got it, you are just repeating yourself. Despot, dwarf,.blah blah blah.

Why now? I take it you cant explain that.

 

[BeardedVol]

Stop. Navalny wasnt starting any legitimate political push against Putin. Even if he were free and not locked away in a Siberian prison, he is no threat politically. That is absurd and shows you have zero understanding of Russian politics.

Since when has that stopped Putin from killing someone that he wants dead?

 

[volgr]

What's your point. He was poisoned years ago but survived--barely. He's been imprisoned for years--and no doubt subject to very harsh treatment--without committing any crimes. So for all intents and purposes he was murdered by Putin--period.

Putin benefits in that another critic has been silenced. Even in prison, Navalny had a voice and a presence that was an irritant to the dictator. It's a subdued voice, certainly, when you're locked up in Siberia, but he remained an opposition figure who could get messages out to the wider world occasionally. Putin has murdered a lot of critics--a lot. We can only hope he will be captured one day, tried for war crimes and hanged. That would be sweet. We don't know exactly how he died---maybe he was just killed, poisoned again, given a shot, who knows. It doesn't matter. Or maybe he just died from accumulated health problems as a result of his imprisonment--he's been in danger of dying, what, a couple of times in the last couple/three years. The timing isn't that relevant: He was a critic, and he was effectively murdered.

He was silenced when he was sent to a remote Siberian prison. Putin didnt need to kill him to silence him. Also, he was a fringe political figure in Russia anyway. Putin wasnt threatened by him politically.

 

[Matt2496]

 

[BeardedVol]

He was silenced when he was sent to a remote Siberian prison. Putin didnt need to kill him to silence him. Also, he was a fringe political figure in Russia anyway. Putin wasnt threatened by him politically.

Not sure if this is just your normal disingenuousness, or just an example of the massive amount of cognitive dissonance that you have to muster in order to maintain "Russia stronk Putin gud".

From an Arctic prison, Navalny says Putin's Russia will one day crumble

Russia's most famous opposition politician, Alexei Navalny, said on Wednesday that President Vladimir Putin's state would one day crumble along with the post-Soviet elite which he cast as venal, power-hungry and duplicitous.

www.reuters.com

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/26/alexei-navalny-russia-putin-arctic-prison-colony

 

[NorthDallas40]

Yeah, we got it, you are just repeating yourself. Despot, dwarf,.blah blah blah.

Why now? I take it you cant explain that.

It’s been answered Larry. But just as in all the other cases of you doing this dance you will do your exact same “no that’s not it. So why. Why? No I told you that’s not it. So really why? Why?”

He did it stooge. Navalny is dead like all the rest who oppose the midget. And that is all the world will ever know but it’s plenty to know he did it.

 

[Velo Vol]

Imagine 1990s Tucker Carlson's reaction to 2024 Tucker Carlson

 

[LouderVol]

looks like they are getting pinched off further back too.

 

[LouderVol]

Yeah, we got it, you are just repeating yourself. Despot, dwarf,.blah blah blah.

Why now? I take it you cant explain that.

there is no need to explain it. Putin doesn't need timing to kill anyone.

Why was Prizoghin killed in August after his coup in JUNE? you can't explain that, but it certainly happened.

 

[Vol8188]

People who believe in the Clinton body count but not the Putin body count, are amazing

 

[Vol8188]

No point in doing so, cause people don't want to listen. Besides, the USA is war-loving, not that we are alone in being so. Therefore, will always be involved in one somewhere, and in some way. It's literally our foreign policy. The nation is founded on war, even the so-called Christian settlers who came over due to religious persecution, only to persecute natives on arrival. War here has been nonstop. So Ukraine, a war by proxy, so to speak, is just another page in the story. The Yemeni are coming, the Hamas are already here, and they brought the Iranians. So, you see, no point in giving a reason to or not to fund the Urkies. Because people don't want to listen.

Whether the State can loose and bind
In Heaven as well as on Earth:
If it be wiser to kill mankind
Before or after the birth—
These are matters of high concern
Where State-kept schoolmen are;
But Holy State (we have lived to learn)
Endeth in Holy War.
Holy State or Holy King—
Or Holy People’s Will—
Have no truck with the senseless thing.
Order the guns and kill!

All nations are founded on war.

 

[Vol8188]

Imagine 1990s Tucker Carlson's reaction to 2024 Tucker Carlson

I don’t care that he didn’t push back against things Putin was saying or call him out for his lack of freedom of the press in his country.

But Carlson is for sure one of the biggest losers on television and his statement is outright insane.

 

[lawgator1]

Give me your best argument as to why the US should continue funding this war.

No one in their right mind believes that Putin would stop at Ukraine. Ukraine may, or may not, "win" the war. They may, or may not, have to let Putin save face by giving up 10 % or so of their territory to reach a conclusion.

But if Ukraine was completely overrun and turned into a Russian state, and if that happened without significant cost to Putin, he'd angle for additional territory somewhere else.

And remember, its not just a question of who controls the territory, i.e. the land. Its a question of who controls the government and any infrastructure. Putin may well be content to run Ukraine, in a Soviet bloc manner, even if it has its own flag and supposed national identity.