War in Ukraine

[volgr]

A question no one in this thread has been able to answer, as I have asked it from the beginning...

 

[MontyPython]

A question no one in this thread has been able to answer, as I have asked it from the beginning...

Pfft. Who cares if the war is legal or not. What's important is Putin needs to die a horrible death. The sooner, the better. Then, maybe... maybe we allow that gas station attendant Russia to rejoin civilization again.

 

[volbound1700]

A question no one in this thread has been able to answer, as I have asked it from the beginning...

I am not trying to say the main point is incorrect but USA intervention in Serbia is very different than Russia intervention in Ukraine.

USA got no territory or financial gain nor was the USA an initiator. Europe begged USA to get involved for humanitarian reasons. Russia is literally looking to conquer territory for Ukraine.

That being said, we get pulled into too many crap like Serbia that we really don't need to be in.

 

[BeardedVol]

A question no one in this thread has been able to answer, as I have asked it from the beginning...

Because you and your fellow Russian shills have never been able to manifest any actual evidence of this supposed terrorism that occurred in eastern Ukraine, prior to Russia invading, and committing terrorism.





Nor do polls of Ukrainians at the time support your nonsensical fantasies of 'terrorism against Russian speakers'.

IRI Poll: Majority of Russian-Speaking Citizens in Ukraine Don’t Feel Threatened; Majority Support Closer Ties with Europe

Kyiv, Ukraine – A new national Ukraine poll (which included residents of Crimea), released today by IRI, found that, despite claims by Russia,

www.iri.org

 

[MG1968]

Because you and your fellow Russian shills have never been able to manifest any actual evidence of this supposed terrorism that occurred in eastern Ukraine, prior to Russia invading, and committing terrorism.





Nor do polls of Ukrainians at the time support your nonsensical fantasies of 'terrorism against Russian speakers'.

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IRI Poll: Majority of Russian-Speaking Citizens in Ukraine Don’t Feel Threatened; Majority Support Closer Ties with Europe

Kyiv, Ukraine – A new national Ukraine poll (which included residents of Crimea), released today by IRI, found that, despite claims by Russia,

www.iri.org

But the US bombed Serbia!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[volgr]

I am not trying to say the main point is incorrect but USA intervention in Serbia is very different than Russia intervention in Ukraine.

USA got no territory or financial gain nor was the USA an initiator. Europe begged USA to get involved for humanitarian reasons. Russia is literally looking to conquer territory for Ukraine.

That being said, we get pulled into too many crap like Serbia that we really don't need to be in.

And ethnic Russians in the Donbas were begging Russia for relief from Ukrainian atrocities. Ethnic Russians in Crimea had been trying to hold a vote of independence from Ukraine for years.

Bottom line is, Russia, using the US's own template, has every right to protect itself from Ukraine and it's western puppet masters.

 

[volgr]

Because you and your fellow Russian shills have never been able to manifest any actual evidence of this supposed terrorism that occurred in eastern Ukraine, prior to Russia invading, and committing terrorism.





Nor do polls of Ukrainians at the time support your nonsensical fantasies of 'terrorism against Russian speakers'.

View attachment 619532

IRI Poll: Majority of Russian-Speaking Citizens in Ukraine Don’t Feel Threatened; Majority Support Closer Ties with Europe

Kyiv, Ukraine – A new national Ukraine poll (which included residents of Crimea), released today by IRI, found that, despite claims by Russia,

www.iri.org

Weird how the Donbas voted by heavy majority to become Russian yet your totally non-biased poll was the opposite. Go sell your propaganda somewhere else, I aint buying.

 

[BeardedVol]

Weird how the Donbas voted by heavy majority to become Russian yet your totally non-biased poll was the opposite. Go sell your propaganda somewhere else, I aint buying.

Weird how after 4+ million are displaced, and you move Russian nationals into an area that you can manage to get a vote for annexation after 8 years of occupation.

Please, do show evidence of this supposed terrorism that forced Putin to invade Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.
Since polls from 2014, didn't even show a majority of "ethnically Russian" Ukrainians supporting Putin's invasion.

The Myth of Russian Separatists in the Donbas

As Putin announces plans to annex more Ukrainian territory, Paul Niland exposes one of the most persistent Russian propaganda ploys which tries to turn victim into perpetrator

bylinetimes.com

 

[volgr]

Weird how after 4+ million are displaced, and you move Russian nationals into an area that you can manage to get a vote for annexation after 8 years of occupation.

Please, do show evidence of this supposed terrorism that forced Putin to invade Crimea and Eastern Ukraine.
Since polls from 2014, didn't even show a majority of "ethnically Russian" Ukrainians supporting Putin's invasion.

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The Myth of Russian Separatists in the Donbas

As Putin announces plans to annex more Ukrainian territory, Paul Niland exposes one of the most persistent Russian propaganda ploys which tries to turn victim into perpetrator

bylinetimes.com

A lot of those that did the dying early in this conflict on the Russian side, were ethnic Russians from Donbas. If your propaganda is correct, the Russians would not be able to hold these "pro-Ukrainian" areas with such small forces. Your position isnt even logical.

 

[hog88]

And ethnic Russians in the Donbas were begging Russia for relief from Ukrainian atrocities. Ethnic Russians in Crimea had been trying to hold a vote of independence from Ukraine for years.

Bottom line is, Russia, using the US's own template, has every right to protect itself from Ukraine and it's western puppet masters.

Russian is not an ethnicity.

 

[BeardedVol]

A lot of those that did the dying early in this conflict on the Russian side, were ethnic Russians from Donbas. If your propaganda is correct, the Russians would not be able to hold these "pro-Ukrainian" areas with such small forces. Your position isnt even logical.

So why can't you show evidence of this supposed terrorism that forced Putin to act?

"Terrorism" that even Prigozhin said was nonsense before Putin killed him.



Why is Donetsk still an intact, functioning city after 8 years of this supposed terrorism and bombing?



Why is it that the only evidence of this 8 years of terrorism that you speak, perpetuated by Russia and their proxies?

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[volgr]

Wait, I was told by many in this thread that Russia was doing this, not Ukraine. Confession through projection. Every. Single. Time

 

[MG1968]

Wait, I was told by many in this thread that Russia was doing this, not Ukraine. Confession through projection. Every. Single. Time

“ …since the start of Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine….”

 

[BeardedVol]

 

[LouderVol]

And ethnic Russians in the Donbas were begging Russia for relief from Ukrainian atrocities. Ethnic Russians in Crimea had been trying to hold a vote of independence from Ukraine for years.

Bottom line is, Russia, using the US's own template, has every right to protect itself from Ukraine and it's western puppet masters.

The Russians/Girkin were there from Day 1 fabricating the problems and the calls for Russia. You don't get to invade, kick out the locals, and then call in your self to help with the invasion you already started.

no they hadn't. provide one link, from a local source, saying as much. If this was the case they wouldn't have had to:
1. Kick out the local government
2. Send in little green men
3. hold a referendum whose only two choices were "join Russia" or "Leave Ukraine"
4. and they certainly wouldn't have had to hold that referendum at gun point, with a very visible ballot harvesting.

If an election was held in the US that mimicked any of the "referendums" you and Ras would both be freaking out.

 

[jmacvols1]

 

[LouderVol]

A lot of those that did the dying early in this conflict on the Russian side, were ethnic Russians from Donbas. If your propaganda is correct, the Russians would not be able to hold these "pro-Ukrainian" areas with such small forces. Your position isnt even logical.

yeah ethnic Russians given the choice of go die for OUR cause, or join the tens of thousands we shipped off to Siberia. There is a reason the Russian terminated the free flow of civilians from Donbas/Crimea into Ukraine when the vast majority took the chance to go to Ukraine vs going to Russia.

The Displacement Crisis in Ukraine: Key Legal Issues - Groupe d'études géopolitiques

One of the most immediate and dramatic human consequences of the 24 February 2022 invasion of Ukraine by the Russian Federation was of millions of people fleeing for their lives. In what became the world’s fastest growing displacement crisis since World War II, nearly 13 million people—more than...

geopolitique.eu

"which had begun with Russia’s annexation of Crimea in March 2014 and the outbreak of armed conflict in eastern Ukraine in April 2014. By March 2015, almost 2 million people from these regions had fled their homes: nearly 1.2 million became IDPs in Ukraine while the remainder left the country, many to the Russian Federation."

that is 60% of those fleeing from the "pro-Russian" areas choosing to go to Ukraine, not to Russia.

 

[LouderVol]

Wait, I was told by many in this thread that Russia was doing this, not Ukraine. Confession through projection. Every. Single. Time

lol. the only thing backed up was the claim about 650k men fleeing Ukraine. the rest of that was pure conjecture.

although conscription wouldn't surprise me since the Russians are also doing it.

 

[BeardedVol]

@volgr Death Cult™?

 

[Rocky_Top_Vol13]

 

[TVOLS]

I don’t see this lasting another year, based on reading material on the war. Russia’s manpower is to much and Ukraines situation looking for replacements is getting worse. IMO

 

[hog88]

I don’t see this lasting another year, based on reading material on the war. Russia’s manpower is to much and Ukraines situation looking for replacements is getting worse. IMO

It will last at least another year unless Putin dies or is ousted first.

 

[TVOLS]

It will last at least another year unless Putin dies or is ousted first.

Maybe this new general will change tactics. Throwing bodies straight ahead isn't working.

 

[LouderVol]

It will last at least another year unless Putin dies or is ousted first.

At least until 1/20/25.

The Dems will be vocally supportive of Ukraine until at least that point, maybe it lasts a couple more months before quietly being dropped.

flip for the Rs.