Recruiting Football Talk VII

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Is that what drugs do?

Some do, some don't...and sometimes it depends on your particular body chemistry and how your body reacts to them.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Since American football is kind of similar to warfare, this could be a test case for a theory that has long been debated by military thinkers. Which is superior in a brutal conflict; trained mercenaries or unseasoned troops who are loyal to the cause? I'd lean toward more loyalists with a few talented mercenaries to fill the gaps, but it'll be interesting to see how this works out over time. Will the mercenaries stand fast when times get rough? Will the loyalists feel the same allegiance when fighting next to highly paid non-believers?

I've been listening to "The Age of Napolean" podcast and this topic is brought up all the time.

 

[peaygolf]

I don't know maybe UK and UF? I'm lazy and don't wanna go look it up.

 

[knoxvol52]

Per Sally? . . or did you manually research that?

Actually knew a couple but looked up others

Arkansas and 40 minutes of hell in 94 won everything it seemed.

Rick Pitino Kentucky team in 96 was one of best I've seen.

Remembered Joakim Noah doing that stupid dance after winning SEC title in 97 and then defeated UCLA for National Championship.

98 was the Tubby Smith Kentucky team don't know if they win SEC title but did defeat Utah for National title.

All off of memory lol.

What's funny I can remember results from Sports but can't remember if I took my damn meds everyday.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

 

[SweetasSoda]

You guys are very passionate about your rivals cheating and I expect it and have seen it on every sports message board I've ever read. But just to reiterate, I'm not talking about who is cheating or who I think could be cheating, including UGA. I'm talking about evidence of cheating, since Weezer questioned why the NCAA didn't investigate UGA for paying Washington and Mims. What Jeremy Pruitt did at Tennessee is not evidence of cheating anywhere else. Success is not evidence of cheating; if it was nobody would want to be successful in recruiting or on the field.

As you say, they're not going to show me any evidence and I haven't seen any evidence. But, the NCAA could announce an investigation into UGA tomorrow, and then I'd know that there was some evidence that warranted an investigation.

You’re being deliberately naive. I used to live in that world until there was repeated evidence of players admitting they were getting paid when they were in school and saying everyone did it. The NCAA did not investigate although there was plenty of evidence at several schools. So you’re basically going with “no body, no crime” to say there was not a murder. I am going with actual athletes talking years after they and the coaches have left the university and simple things like AL players driving a Charger. I really wish I could return to the world where only the bad guys cheat, and they will get punished. So, no, we’re not passionate about our rivals cheating. We realize it happens everywhere. And we don’t think Pruitt just suddenly learned how to cheat when he became a head coach. He knew if he were going to be successful he had to cheat like he did at the successful programs he had worked at. It’s fun though to think your school is so special they don’t need to do what everyone else is doing. The good news for us is NIL is now legal, and we have an administration not willing to be singled out anymore.

 

[SouthKnoxVOL]

Shady as fuuuuuuuuuu....

 

[butchna]

Deboer stepping up to one aspect of Saban's legacy. Trick away their options!

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Him simply moving from the Pacific Northwest to Tuscaloosa must have been a culture shock.

He'd probably never been in a backwards *** 3rd world country before.

Have you seen the garbage strewn-derelict scum infested hole that Seattle has become? Put a hole in the middle of the most beautiful place...and it is still a hole.

I always wanted to see LA and especially San Fran....but I couldn't wait to get out once I got there...of course there are enclaves, but why anybody wants to live with that all around them is beyond me.

 

[clt_tiger]

How many SEC teams have won the SEC tournament  and the NCAA tournament?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You seem to have read more into my post than was there. Ulysses suggested that NIL resources make Ohio State better positioned than Tennessee to acquire athletes. I wondered if that would necessarily guarantee more success. I don't have the answer, just noted that this sort of thing had been debated before in a military context. Maybe having the most money is paramount in the NIL era, but I'm not sure because football is the ultimate team sport and culture is important.

As for Mims or Washington, I haven't seen any evidence that they were paid to sign with UGA, so what was the NCAA's reason to investigate? It's possible, but you could say that for any college athlete. If you're saying that Pruitt offered them money and thus UGA must have done the same, I don't believe that's the kind of logic that launches investigations. Pruitt reportedly handed out $60,000 total to multiple athletes, much less per individual player presumably. Sums like that could be, and almost certainly have been, outweighed by non-financial considerations in a player's recruitment.

Has Georgia been illegally "shelling out money" in amounts that give them a recruiting advantage over everyone else? When there's money or power at stake, I never rule out the possibility of cheating. But I'd need to see something more than "they're recruiting very well so they must have some illicit advantage". In the recent past UGA's underperformance despite some obvious geographic recruiting advantages ("no championship since 1981") was used as an indictment of the program and of Mark Richt. Now it's overperformance, I guess.

You're blind...willingly and utterly.

 

[SweetasSoda]

That’s despicable! Hope they have a bunch leave after spring making it even harder on them.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You’re being deliberately naive. I used to live in that world until there was repeated evidence of players admitting they were getting paid when they were in school and saying everyone did it. The NCAA did not investigate although there was plenty of evidence at several schools. So you’re basically going with “no body, no crime” to say there was not a murder. I am going with actual athletes talking years after they and the coaches have left the university and simple things like AL players driving a Charger. I really wish I could return to the world where only the bad guys cheat, and they will get punished. So, no, we’re not passionate about our rivals cheating. We realize it happens everywhere. And we don’t think Pruitt just suddenly learned how to cheat when he became a head coach. He knew if he were going to be successful he had to cheat like he did at the successful programs he had worked at. It’s fun though to think your school is so special they don’t need to do what everyone else is doing. The good news for us is NIL is now legal, and we have an administration not willing to be singled out anymore.

What we are absolutely insanely passionate about is "selective enforcement"....the kind that protects some and allows them to ascend to greatness while absolutely ruining others and working to keep them down.

 

[SweetasSoda]

What we are absolutely insanely passionate about is "selective enforcement"....the kind that protects some and allows them to ascend to greatness while absolutely ruining others and working to keep them down.

Absolutely.

First, I realized everyone was paying players especially the most talented ones. Now I have come to realize that certain programs are being protected because they are too big to fail.

 

[knoxvol52]

Going to be a rock fight vs A&M .

Tennessee 72
A&M 67

 

[Aesius]

Anytime I feel self conscious about my hairline, I look at Bowers and immediately feel better about mine

He’s balding on Spieth time

 

[butchna]

You guys are very passionate about your rivals cheating and I expect it and have seen it on every sports message board I've ever read. But just to reiterate, I'm not talking about who is cheating or who I think could be cheating, including UGA. I'm talking about evidence of cheating, since Weezer questioned why the NCAA didn't investigate UGA for paying Washington and Mims. What Jeremy Pruitt did at Tennessee is not evidence of cheating anywhere else. Success is not evidence of cheating; if it was nobody would want to be successful in recruiting or on the field.

As you say, they're not going to show me any evidence and I haven't seen any evidence. But, the NCAA could announce an investigation into UGA tomorrow, and then I'd know that there was some evidence that warranted an investigation.

When you're NOT Ohio State, Bama or UGA, The NCAA investigates you TO "find evidence". Never struck you funny that Amarius Mims was a key figure in TWO programs being disciplined AFTER investigations, yet never warranted a sniff for the program that signed and retained him for his entire college career? Hey! Getting away with it is cool, but quit with the Saban//Kirby psy ops that it's commendable and no other fanbase should have an issue with it...sheep lot is ten exits back!

 

[CAVPUT]

Looking at the last 6 games for LV’s. They could take a L in all 6… perfect finish for a terrible Coach. Danny might give her another extension afterwards. Lol

Hey, the LV nation has insisted on Pat's players getting hired and no male candidates can be considered. They've gotten exactly what they asked for....twice. They need own this one now. I see no reason to waste more money on yet another coaching change in a so called "sport" that bleeds money. We got lawyers to pay.

 

[CAVPUT]

Deboer stepping up to one aspect of Saban's legacy. Trick away their options!

The NIL, the portal, etc...players play games, too. It's just how college/minor league football works now. Got no sympathy for either side. Just bizness now.

 

[butchna]

The NIL, the portal, etc...players play games, too. It's just how college/minor league football works now. Got no sympathy for either side. Just bizness now.

Coaches are supposed to be above that…they have power with information. Mafia does “bizness” too…aka RACKETEERING.

 

[VOLED]

What we are absolutely insanely passionate about is "selective enforcement"....the kind that protects some and allows them to ascend to greatness while absolutely ruining others and working to keep them down.

selective enforcement seems to be everywhere you look

 

[SweetasSoda]

The NIL, the portal, etc...players play games, too. It's just how college/minor league football works now. Got no sympathy for either side. Just bizness now.

Not so much about having sympathy for players because some play games also. It’s pointing out that AL deliberately went out of their way to make sure players were not given information about who their coach was going to be so they would not transfer. They did it twice. And we’re hoping this is going to cause problems for the team.

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Going to be a rock fight vs A&M .

Tennessee 72
A&M 67

Yeah the line opened at -3.5 and already dropped to -1.5. Don’t like that at all.

 

[Glitch]

Going to be a rock fight vs A&M .

Tennessee 72
A&M 67

Never heard the phrase "rock fight" before. Round here we fight with knives. Keep your piddly little rocks in your driveway and go grab your pig sticker.

 

[eVOLve]

Yeah the line opened at -3.5 and already dropped to -1.5. Don’t like that at all.

Whoop dat ass, we will.