Recruiting Football Talk VII

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Jimmy Football said:
Have you ever wondered what would happen if somebody ever just said: “no”?
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What’s the betting line in Vegas that the ncaa going after gators and Volunteers right after saban declared that he was going to try to protect the sanctity of the game are related?

😈😡

Might be time to “9 to5” him if you know what I mean

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But not in the nice Dolly Parton way.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.
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I don't understand that argument, especially from an attorney that should make this distinction. (Then again, I may be the one who's wrong...)

The TN/VA AG suit is not defending UT. It is suing NCAA for breaking NIL law. As such, UT would not be the damaged party. All student athletes would be the damaged parties, and showing a constrained market to negotiate their NILs is damage enough.

What am I missing?

Per UT's investigation (no case/suit), if TN/VA lost their suit and the NCAA then tried to hammer UT with sanctions, then UT fights it in real court with damages established.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Another problem is that they changed the definition of "booster" after the fact, and then went back to apply it with a cardboard box time machine.

That robs it of merit.

Apparently, Spyre can only be considered recruitment if seen through the definition change. Otherwise, they are a sports management company courting a potential client, who signed a contract that is valid no matter where he attends school.

It sounds like the NCAA went through a mountain of communication and found no evidence that UT staff were involved with the trips. So... The NCAA changed the definition of "Booster" and time traveled.
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This is why the NCAA has no ground to stand on
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.
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We've been injured by operating on pins and needles, threatened, dragged into the court of public opinion etc.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't understand that argument, especially from an attorney that should make this distinction. (Then again, I may be the one who's wrong...)

The TN/VA AG suit is not defending UT. It is suing NCAA for breaking NIL law. As such, UT would not be the damaged party. All student athletes would be the damaged parties, and showing a constrained market to negotiate their NILs is damage enough.

What am I missing?

Per UT's investigation (no case/suit), if TN/VA lost their suit and the NCAA then tried to hammer UT with sanctions, then UT fights it in real court with damages established.
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InVOLuntary said:
I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.
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Can’t get slammed first.. it’ll set us back. Donde and Danny wanted to get on it
 
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volsfan_17 said:
@Orange_Crush

You seem to be up to speed on the ongoing and procedural matters from a law perspective.

How do you see this recent lawsuit against the NCAA from and antitrust perspective in regards to the multiple lawsuits currently in play about players as employee status? (NCPA v NCAA, Johnson v NCAA). If at all?
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***I am no attorney. I am merely a fellow poster trying to follow the breadcrumbs and think through it from a lay perspective.

I suspect that this TN/VA case, if won, will tie NCAA's hands on anything NIL, including its use as inducement. Hell, I suspect TN law, as referenced by the TN AG in the current case, will tie NCAA's hands in that area.

(Aside: Seems TN passed a law making it illegal for any university to coerce or prevent a SA from negotiating or receiving NIL. If that's the case, it's against the law for the NCAA--made up of member universities--to make demands on a SA's NIL contract?)

Anyway... I suspect a case won here will make NCAA impotent on anything NIL.

I suspect there will be future cases on actual pay, and if the SCOTUS opinions from the last case are indication, Kavanaugh indicated that pay-for-play would receive the same treatment as educational benefits on similar principles.
 
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volsfan_17 said:
Couldn't the argument be made that UT has been damaged due to the perception created by leaking the upcoming NOA?

Damage to the brand, to our recruiting efforts (which I believe was the intended consequence to begin with)?
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Kind of like Heard vs Depp. Bro couldn’t have a career because that b…. wanted to paint him bad

We cant get good at sports because the NCAA got it bad for us for whatever reason
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I was watching a sports lawyer on YouTube last night. I think it was the one that's been leaked here. He said one issue with our case was that we don't currently can't show how we have been harmed. It's all potential right now because we haven't received the notice of allegations from the NCAA. He thought the suit might be pre-mature.
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Wouldnt showing receipts from our last investigation show harm? What about hours & flight time, hotels in Cincinatti?

How about an $8 million dollar fine?

How about scholarship reductions? We could have JH and staff give witness testimony if how their snooping has made their jobs exponentially harder.

So much of this is public perception. As DDFME said may lose. But who cares? Cancel our offseason. This is bigger than that. Tennessee set the standard with Spyre, and Vol Club. We set standard for doing it the right way, to tune of millions of dollars spent.

NCAA isnt a punitive, law enforcement agency. They are to support their member institutions. Really boils down to believing they have this much executive power.

In short, they need a rap on the beard.
 
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SugarCC said:
I understand that, and very much agree. Take another example then, that doesn't include trying to avoid a buyout.

Take any of the MANY other examples of teams getting bowl bans and scholarship reductions throughout the years. Take 1993 Auburn...they were undefeated, could've played for National Title; but they were on probation, bowl ban. If the NCAA is so toothless, why didn't Auburn tell them to shove it?
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1993 was a totally different era.

2024 has seen the precedent of the Supreme Court weighing in on this matter. The NCAA has picked the wrong school to try to force into submission based on now irrelevant rules.
When two states band together to sure ghe ncaa, it is the ncaa that will be fighting for its future NOT Tennessee.

Why has Virginia thrown in with Tennessee? That’s the only question that I have. If they were smart (they aren’t) the state of Florida would join the lawsuit…
 
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