Urban Meyer's not a gator.

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UTHorsey

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Says a former University of Miami player and radio show host who routinely blasts anything and everything from FSU and Florida to get people to listen to his show.
 
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hm. sounds like a reach. a nice way to spin words to get a story, though.
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catfish said:
how is he right?
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don't know. I'm not the one that implied he was wrong because he didn't attend UF.

IMO, not attending UF gives him a much higher likelihood of being correct than vice versa.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Says a former University of Miami player and radio show host who routinely blasts anything and everything from FSU and Florida to get people to listen to his show.
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so I guess this is more universal than you presented it?

lawgator1 said:
You forget what I call the "Theorem of Tennessee Fans":


The talent of a sports reporter or writer is inversely proportional to the amount he trashes the Vols.


Conversely, in the eyes of UT fans, the theorem compels this statement to be true:

If a reporter says something positive about the Vols, whether its true or not, he's a freakin ' genius.
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lawgator1 said:
He's not wrong that any given coach isn't literally a player. The other part of his comment was just a gratuitous ratings grab.
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he said more than the coach isn't literally a player. He said the program is synonymous with the players moreso than the coach, but coach egos lead them to believe that they are the story. He said that applies to Meyer. How is that wrong? Meyer has spent much of his career glorifying his system rather than his superior talent.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Says a former University of Miami player and radio show host who routinely blasts anything and everything from FSU and Florida to get people to listen to his show.
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And you have the nerve to bash UT fans for not liking a sportswriter who says unflattering things about the program
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BigPapaVol said:
he said more than the coach isn't literally a player. He said the program is synonymous with the players moreso than the coach, but coach egos lead them to believe that they are the story. He said that applies to Meyer. How is that wrong? Meyer has spent much of his career glorifying his system rather than his superior talent.
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that statement in itself is not wrong. what is wrong is this guy spinning a quote into something that wasn't even directly implied by urbs. this guy is taking a general statement and turning it into a response to a specific situation- to which urban didn't even elude to. that, my friends, is a serious reach and an obvious attempt to create a story.
as for meyer praising the system over the players, I have to disagree. or atleast ask you for a handful of links. all I know is that he constantly praises his players, and could get you the quotes on that much easier than you could find the contrary.
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i think the perception of whether Urban Meyer is a gator or not is up to the alumni and fans, more than anything. And I can't imagine a guy who has brought you two national titles in three years not being like family.
 
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catfish said:
that statement in itself is not wrong. what is wrong is this guy spinning a quote into something that wasn't even directly implied by urbs. this guy is taking a general statement and turning it into a response to a specific situation- to which urban didn't even elude to. that, my friends, is a serious reach and an obvious attempt to create a story.
as for meyer praising the system over the players, I have to disagree. or atleast ask you for a handful of links. all I know is that he constantly praises his players, and could get you the quotes on that much easier than you could find the contrary.
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please give me the links, because goodness knows UM tells the truth in at least every third or fourth comment. In fact, he might be the most disingenuous guy I know, so links will surely help.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
please give me the links, because goodness knows UM tells the truth in at least every third or fourth comment. In fact, he might be the most disingenuous guy I know, so links will surely help.
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sweet, i'll get you a handful of links, most of which praising tebow for being the best player of our generation, praising harvin, spikes, murphy, nelson, etc. hell even praising leak.
but before that, find me 3 quotes where he downplays his players and praises that the success of the program as strictly/only the result of 'his' system.
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catfish said:
sweet, i'll get you a handful of links, most of which praising tebow for being the best player of our generation, praising harvin, spikes, murphy, nelson, etc. hell even praising leak.
but before that, find me 3 quotes where he downplays his players and praises that the success of the program as strictly/only the result of 'his' system.
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He doesn't downplay his players in quotes. You won't find anything of that nature. That still doesn't refute that Urban believes Urban to be the program and reason it wins. I know it's hard for you to see the forest on your knees, but a reasonably common perception of the guy is about his utter willingness to lie at the drop of a hat and his self absorbed nature. I don't need a bunch of quotes to make that true. Commentators don't go out of their way to make comments like that. Other coaches, off the record, are more than happy to tell the truth about their peers.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
He doesn't downplay his players in quotes. You won't find anything of that nature. That still doesn't refute that Urban believes Urban to be the program and reason it wins. I know it's hard for you to see the forest on your knees, but a reasonably common perception of the guy is about his utter willingness to lie at the drop of a hat and his self absorbed nature. I don't need a bunch of quotes to make that true. Commentators don't go out of their way to make comments like that. Other coaches, off the record, are more than happy to tell the truth about their peers.
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what's the matter, bpv? your mouth write a check you realized you can't cash? cmon man, show me some links, quotes, anything!! after all, "meyer has spent much of his career glorifying his system rather than his superior talent" as you put it. it should be easy!
oh wait, now your changing your argument to 'its the reasonably common perception.' nice job. change your position to a speculative, general position that can be supported only by rivals' opinions rather than anything factual.
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catfish said:
what's the matter, bpv? your mouth write a check you realized you can't cash? cmon man, show me some links, quotes, anything!! after all, "meyer has spent much of his career glorifying his system rather than his superior talent" as you put it. it should be easy!
oh wait, now your changing your argument to 'its the reasonably common perception.' nice job. change your position to a speculative, general position that can be supported only by rivals' opinions rather than anything factual.
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call it what you want, but pretending it isn't factual is simply untrue.

If you're seeking any answers via media quips and quotes.
 
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IPorange said:
i think the perception of whether Urban Meyer is a gator or not is up to the alumni and fans, more than anything. And I can't imagine a guy who has brought you two national titles in three years not being like family.
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At least until he gets tired of UF and bolts for Notre Dame.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
call it what you want, but pretending it isn't factual is simply untrue.

If you're seeking any answers via media quips and quotes.
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hm. usually you can prove facts. I know I could prove my facts. you know, the ones where urban praises his superior talent? yours must be the different type of facts, though, the ones you can't prove. yup, I should def. convince myself that you're right on this.
this is about par for the course for you.
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UTHorsey said:
At least until he gets tired of UF and bolts for Notre Dame.
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At first he'll be dirt, but after 15 or 20 years, he'll be seen as a great part of Gator history.

But ya, you're right. Fans are fickle in the short term.
 
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